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- From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
- Subject: Gripes about the UNIX Programmer's Manual
- Re: Giles' Manual Mania (Was - Re: About the 'F' in RTFM)
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- Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
- References: <1992Aug12.171748.26339@newshost.lanl.gov> <1992Aug13.175711.27749@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1992Aug25.171411.9865@newshost.lanl.gov>
- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:43:27 GMT
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- Jim, when you forward a thread it would help if you would explain WTF the
- thread is about near the beginning of the message.
-
- The UPM is a *manual*. It's not a tutorial, or user's guide. It's not intended
- to teach people how to use the UNIX system. It's a reference tool for people
- who already know... and as such it's about the best I've seen. It sure as hell
- beats out VMS HELP and DEC manuals in general in that regard.
-
- It doesn't have a conventional index, but comes with an extremely useful
- KWIK index that's much more effective. I'd MUCH rather deal with that than
-
- copy 4-3, 5-19, 5-27, 9-22, A-1
-
- and grovel through half a dozen pages before I find the right entry.
-
- In article <1992Aug25.171411.9865@newshost.lanl.gov> jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) writes:
- > Are you suggesting that the converse is true - that accidents are
- > evidence that roads and cars are NOT badly designed?
-
- In this case, accidents are due to people thinking that a pickup truck is a
- car. You can fault UNIX for the lack of a good standard tutorial or user's
- manual, but you can't fault the UNIX programmer's manual for not being one.
-
- I'll happily agree that the "users guides" suck dirty canal water. And that
- the manual could do with more cross-references and more standardization (the
- shells are particularly bad about this), which is why I'm on the CFCM.
-
- > In fact, for the most part the UNIX tools are often *less* capable
- > than their better designed (easier to learn and to use) counterparts
- > elsewhere. This is the primary cause of the success of windowing
- > environments on UNIX, they *hide* the crummy interface.
-
- I STRONGLY disagree here. The UNIX command line interface is an excellent
- one, better by far than (for example) VMS (where I can never remember whether
- a particular keyword needs to be a noun, verb, or option... is that "delete
- entry 415" or "delete 415 /entry" or "delete /entry=415" or...). The big
- problem with the X Window system is that (1) it itself is a user-interface
- disaster, (2) it exposes way too much complexity to applications, and hence
- to users, and (3) it doesn't provide a competant graphical replacement for
- the shell. It *doesn't* hide the interface you so dislike.
-
- > UNIX was evolved in a haphazard way without any
- > attempts to integrate the various features into a coherent environment.
-
- No, UNIX was developed with integration of various features as a high priority,
- and as a result you have almost universal interoperability of programs and
- interfaces. The problem is that it's got all these MIT-derived research tools
- and Berkeley Quality Software hung on the side.
- --
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