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- From: jeh@acpub.duke.edu (JUSTIN HARLOW)
- Newsgroups: comp.lsi.testing
- Subject: Re: Change this Group Name?
- Message-ID: <4945@news.duke.edu>
- Date: 28 Aug 92 09:42:50 GMT
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- In article <BtnwwM.EBA@metaflow.com> rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp) writes:
- >In article <veit.714837724@du9ds3>, veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit) writes:
- >|> In <1992Aug25.183729.27815@venus.ic.cmc.ca> yooho@ursula.ic.cmc.ca (Yoo Ho Cho) writes:
- >|>
- >|> >In article <l9ko46INNls@bashful.crhc.uiuc.edu> patel@bashful.crhc.uiuc.edu (Janak H. Patel) writes:
- >|> >>I am annoyed at notes posted in this news group which have nothing to
- >|> >>do with LSI or VLSI Testing. It seems lots of news readers are
- >|> >>interpreting "testing" to mean just about anything, except what
- >|> >>this group was created for! It seems they ignore the components "comp"
- >|> >>and/or "lsi" while interpreting "testing".
- >|>
- >
- >You know, the message traffic over the discussion of changing the name of the
- >newsgroup has by far exceeded the actual garbage traffic I've seen here in
- >the last couple of months. Does the pain of the disease really justify the
- >pain of the cure? Is this a problem worth fixing?
- >
- I agree that the group could have a less ambiguous name, but we are
- probably stuck with it, given the alternatives. Russ (and others) point
- out the central issue: why don't we get any postings? Is the name of
- this group the only testing issue left? Come on, Janak: you have lots of
- good things going on at UIUC: how about some timely, controversial
- postings from you and/or your group? Let's talk about the issues raised
- by Don Allingham: why don't undergrad profs incorporate testing ideas in
- their earliest classes?
-
- I'll throw a thought game onto the table: Suppose we had a
- manufacturing line whose yield was 100%... would we then not need to
- test products? <Everyone cringes... of COURSE we would test, they cry!>
- You could take the position that, in this ideal environment, what we
- are actually doing through end-of-line testing was verifying the
- function of the design; could we not do that through formal methods as
- we designed the device? More generally speaking, how much of what we
- call testing is actually a cover for lack of design verification?
-
- Let's see if that stirs the pot....
-
- JEH
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