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- From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
- Subject: Re: Change this Group Name?
- References: <l9ko46INNls@bashful.crhc.uiuc.edu> <1992Aug25.183729.27815@venus.ic.cmc.ca>
- Date: 26 Aug 92 14:02:04 GMT
- Reply-To: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
- Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
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- In <1992Aug25.183729.27815@venus.ic.cmc.ca> yooho@ursula.ic.cmc.ca (Yoo Ho Cho) writes:
-
- >In article <l9ko46INNls@bashful.crhc.uiuc.edu> patel@bashful.crhc.uiuc.edu (Janak H. Patel) writes:
- >>I am annoyed at notes posted in this news group which have nothing to
- >>do with LSI or VLSI Testing. It seems lots of news readers are
- >>interpreting "testing" to mean just about anything, except what
- >>this group was created for! It seems they ignore the components "comp"
- >>and/or "lsi" while interpreting "testing".
-
- Your observation is unfortunately correct. This group was really not intended
- for junk postings. I (and Nikolaus Gouders) had proposed this group (okay:
- look into the header for flame mails to me ;-), since we are involved in
- academical research on testing (as well as you), and think that there should
- be a more closer contact than the usual meetings at conferences.
-
- >>
- >>Here is a suggestion: Change the group name to avoid confusion.
- >[...]
-
- >I am not certain a comp.lsi.defects or comp.lsi.[ testing areas .. ]
- >would provide the group with sufficient coverage of testing issues.
- >Also the incredibly low amount of activity in this group probably doesn't
- >make the effort worthwhile.
-
- When the proposal for the group was made, it was called 'comp.lsi.cat' for
- computer aided testing, according to the similiar abbreviation CAD. The
- majority of people who replied to the discussion found this name misleading
- and preferred something like '*.test', which is as you see is the usual
- waste basket for junk posts. Calling the group '*.testing' should have avoided
- such noise as we thought, because the combination of COMP and LSI and TESTING
- is too strange to make one think that this is just a junk group for
- chip designers. I already had a bad feeling about the naming that time, but
- it is good democratic tradition to accept the opinion of the majority.
-
- The voting process showed a result of 179 : 32 which I considered to be
- sufficient for a special interests group. Unfortunately, I haven't seen
- many postings from the 179 persons who voted with YES. A newsgroup lives and
- dies with postings! I cannot imagine that everyone is interested in
- design (comp.lang.vhdl, comp.lang.verilog, comp.sys.mentor, comp.lsi*), but
- nobody in testing of all the stuff produced. So don't be afraid to
- contribute to this group (of course not by postings of the above mentioned
- junk type). Notice that no one here will consider even a "stupid question"
- (forget this, there are no stupid questions) as junk postings.
-
-
- >Does anyone have the charter for this group ? Posting the charter once a month
- >should help keep some of the noise down. If someone will send a copy of the
- >charter, I'm willing to do a monthly "reminder" posting.
-
- >Yoo Ho Cho
-
- The following is (a slightly changed) charter from the call for votes.
- Feel free to modify and reformat it, and add further things that belong to this
- information sheet. I would be happy if you would be willing to do a regular
- posting.
-
- Holger
-
- --
- | | / Holger Veit | INTERNET: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
- |__| / University of Duisburg | BITNET: veit%du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de@UNIDO
- | | / Dept. of Electr. Eng. | "No, my programs are not BUGGY, these are
- | |/ Inst. f. Dataprocessing | just unexpected FEATURES"
-
-
- -----------------------------------------
-
- NAME/GROUP:
- comp.lsi.testing
-
- STATUS:
- unmoderated
-
- CHARTER:
- This newsgroup is intended to cover all aspects of the testing of
- electronic circuits such as (but not restricted to)
- * Testing of Digital and Analog Devices
- * Automatic Test Pattern Generation
- * Fault Modeling and Fault Simulation
- * Design for Testability
- * Scan Design and Built-in Self Test
- * PCB-Test and Boundary Scan
- * Design Verification
-
- Important topics are (again not restricted to)
- * Announcements (conferences, workshops, special issues)
- * Books on testing
- * Standards
- * Benchmarks
- * Questions and answers
- * Discussions concerning technical or algorithmic problems
- * Available commercial and public domain tools
-
- PLEASE: DO NOT USE THIS GROUP FOR "test" POSTINGS TO CHECK YOUR
- MAILER OR NEWS SYSTEM. THERE ARE OTHER SPECIAL GROUPS FOR THIS
- PURPOSE, such as "alt.test", "news.test", "local.test" ETC.
-
- WHY THIS GROUP:
- The ever increasing number of publications on testing shows a
- vivid and growing interest in that subject. A newsgroup on
- testing will stimulate and accelerate the exchange of related
- information among interested network users. It makes it easier
- to recognize current trends in testing, especially for novices.
-
- The discussion period showed a general agreement on the theme.
- Our first proposal for the name of the group was comp.lsi.cat,
- which is similiar to comp.lsi.cad. A number of contributors
- remarked that this name is not generally understandable or
- misleading. Among the proposed alternatives were:
- comp.lsi.test, comp.lsi.testing, comp.lsi.ate, comp.lsi.ft (fault
- tolerance). Taking into account that ".test" may sound like
- "alt.test", "news.test" which have a specific function within the
- USENET hierarchy, the proposed name "comp.lsi.testing" should be
- the most understandable and general one.
-
- Some authors commented that there are existing groups like comp.lsi
- which do not have an extreme news flow to date. Splitting therefore
- should not be necessary. We have never intended to split any group
- due to "net bandwidth", comp.lsi.testing is a new thread. A closer
- look at comp.lsi[.cad] shows that these groups are mostly design oriented,
- and this probably raises the level for participation of non-designers.
- Shortly: there was and is no forum for testing yet.
-
- --
- | | / Holger Veit | INTERNET: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
- |__| / University of Duisburg | BITNET: veit%du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de@UNIDO
- | | / Dept. of Electr. Eng. | "No, my programs are not BUGGY, these are
- | |/ Inst. f. Dataprocessing | just unexpected FEATURES"
-