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- From: jinx@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Guillermo J. Rozas)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.scheme
- Subject: Re: wots going on here!?
- Message-ID: <JINX.92Aug29223329@chamarti.ai.mit.edu>
- Date: 30 Aug 92 02:33:29 GMT
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- In-reply-to: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU's message of 29 Aug 92 16:01:32 GMT
-
- In article <17o70sINNi2e@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
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- | You know, I have to agree with the original poster that this is not the
- | sort of thing one would wish to present to a beginner. Remember, you're
- | on page 184 before you learn what an "environment" is. Meanwhile all
- | that argle-bargle is pretty intimidating.
-
- I won't disagree with this. There is a large tension in a system
- aimed both at experienced users and stark novices between being overly
- verbose and "nice" and being useful. However, I know that I strongly
- disagree with changing the behavior of the system as the
- (hypothetical) course progresses. I don't think this is what you are
- proposing, however.
-
- The system distributed by MIT is not the system that is used directly
- by students in 6.001 or 6.003 at MIT. The system given to students is
- typically built on top and often is "nicer" to novices at the expense
- of being cumbersome to experienced users. When the experienced users
- who develop the system (including me) have tried to force themselves
- to use the system with such niceties, we haven't been able to stomach
- it for long.
-
- Remember also that the systems that we set up for students are usually
- centered on Edwin, which (like Emacs) is much more easily customizable
- than the minimal vanilla system.
-