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- From: zkdc05@trc.amoco.com (Kelly D. Crawford)
- Newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.lang.fortran,comp.lang.misc
- Subject: Re: sagans of lines of Fortran?
- Message-ID: <1992Sep2.160747@trc.amoco.com>
- Date: 2 Sep 92 21:07:47 GMT
- References: <1992Sep2.085256@trc.amoco.com> <61115@aurs01.UUCP>
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- In article <61115@aurs01.UUCP>, throop@aurs01.UUCP (Wayne Throop) writes:
- > > From: zkdc05@trc.amoco.com (Kelly D. Crawford)
- > > With trillions of lines of existing Fortran in the scientific
- > > marketplace, it is a travesty not to teach CS students Fortran sometime
- > > during their education.
- >
- > Let's see... assume Fortran emitted at a furious continuous pace
- > of 1000 lines/day, every day since 1960, and we get
- >
- > 1e12 loc
- > divide 1e3 loc/developer-day = 1e9 developer-days
- > divide 365 days/year ~= 2739726 developer-years
- > divide 32 years (since 1960) ~= 85616 developers
- >
- > or about 86 thousand Fortran-coding speed-demons continuously
- > employed since 1960 for every trillion of those trillions of lines.
- >
- > Impressive.
-
- Wait, did you count comment lines?
-
- > ( Yes, Kelly was probably being hyperbolistic... )
-
- My mother has told me a trillion times not to exaggerate.
-
- > On a more serious note, I tend to disagree that Fortran should
- > necessarily be taught to all CS students. It depends strongly
- > what those CS students intend to specialize in. Certainly
- > bit bummers, toolsmiths, graphics gurus and other specialties
- > would find Fortran relatively useless. Certainly we don't teach
- > our electrical engineers all about the properties of concrete,
- > nor find it a travesty that this is not done.
-
- Agreed. I should qualify my statements better. Those that intend to work
- in scientific industry (or research) should have the exposure. Perhaps a better
- point here is that we should have more career electives. Although the problem
- there is that many CS majors don't necessarily have well defined career targets
- ("Why, I can go pretty much anywhere...right?").
-
- In general, however, I like the idea of CS majors getting as much exposure to
- different languages as possible. Do this in one or two semesters if you must,
- but do it if at all possible. The most popular languages should be emphasized
- most because they are the ones that CS majors will likely run into after graduation.
-
- Oh, well. Enough rambling. I don't suppose you will ever get anyone to agree
- completely on what should comprise a CS degree. I definitely respect most of the
- comments I have seen in this thread. We have managed to get a lot of different
- perspectives...
-
- Kelly
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