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- From: rod@isi.edu (Rodney Doyle Van Meter III)
- Newsgroups: comp.arch.storage,comp.databases
- Subject: Re: Info on large, slow storage wanted (jukeboxes, etc.)
- Message-ID: <22302@venera.isi.edu>
- Date: 1 Sep 92 07:29:08 GMT
- References: <1992Aug29.210553.8744@rhein-main.de> <1992Aug31.043738.19685@psg.com>
- Reply-To: rod@venera.isi.edu (Rodney Doyle Van Meter III)
- Organization: Information Sciences Institute, Univ. of So. California
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- In article <1992Aug31.043738.19685@psg.com> randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:
- >vhs@rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes:
- >
- >> I need to design a retrieval system for ~15TB of data, of which ~5TB are
- >> retrieved with a high frequency (25 requests/second) and an access time
- >> of avg. 30 seconds (max. 120 seconds). Retrieval lacks any locality, so the
- >> 5TB are real random-access. The rest of the data is still accessed at a
- >> rate of 5 requests/second.
- >
- >Optical RW store, a la HP.
- >--
- >randy@psg.com ...!uunet!m2xenix!randy
-
-
- The problem is not the volume -- 15 TB is huge but not enormous
- (like the distinction?:-)), the problem is the access rate. Even
- the fastest cart machines are ~15 seconds to replace a disk or tape
- (remove the AND insert the new), so to get 25 reqs/sec., you're
- looking at not 40 but 400 cart machines.
-
- As pointed out, you probably want MO, not tape; VHS, 8mm, D-1, and
- D-2 are all fairly slow to load (I think Ampex' D-2 is the fastest),
- plus the seek times... w/ 400 cart machines, you'll have enough
- drives that seek time isn't a problem with your latency.
-
- An important question is the size of an average data request --
- if it's a bank account balance, the throughput of the device is irrelevant.
- If it's CAD files or fluid-flow simulation, you need one of the
- higher-speed alternatives.
-
- Are you prepared to handle acres of floor space, hundreds of
- drives, all the power, etc.?
-
- By the time you add it all up, I think the only realistic solution
- is RAID arrays. Yes, they're small and expensive, but I think it's
- the only way to get that kind of throughput. Oh, you'll need
- one mini-super for every several RAID arrays, too, don't forget.
-
- What's the timeframe for implementation? The capacity is
- easy, if not quite off-the-shelf, but meeting those performace
- characteristics is damn near impossible in the current generation
- of devices.
-
- --Rod
-
- disclaimer: I work for a company with a vested interest in this
- area, but you don't know which one, so there! It's not the only
- company mentioned by name in this article.
-