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- From: orville%weyrich@tnet.com (Orville R. Weyrich)
- Subject: Re: AI Winter Refugees
- Message-ID: <1992Aug30.012046.2981@weyrich.UUCP>
- Sender: orville@weyrich.UUCP (Orville R. Weyrich)
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- Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
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- Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 01:20:46 GMT
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- In article <x+an!9a.vere@netcom.com> vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere) writes:
- >
- >o what were the causes of AI Winter?
-
- General economic downturn and in some cases general-purpose hardware/
- software improving faster than AI software due to mass-market funding.
- That's what happened to LISP machines, for example.
-
- >o why has AI gone out of fashion in the US industrial sector?
-
- I don't know that it has -- but it is like one leg of a stool -- pretty
- useless without a couple more. For example, I am migrating a database
- for a client from an IBM mainframe to a UNIX platform. Part of the migration
- involves extracting as much information as possible out of a free-text
- field in one of the input files and stuffing it into half a dozen other
- fields in the output files. Guess what? It is a job for natural language
- processing, and guess what? People learn how to do that in AI classes.
-
- But I would not have the job if I couldn't ALSO do C and UNIX.
-
- I think that there is a lot of AI being done in industry -- but it is just
- a part of an application. People don't say "let's develop something
- foxy like, for example an AI application." They say "hey look! some AI
- techniques are useful in solving this problem that we have."
-
- >o stories of AI professionals or recent graduates who are or have been
- > unemployed or underemployed due to AI Winter;
-
- One company I worked for had a R&D project to develop a reverse engineering
- tool using Prolog, theorem proving, and expert system technology. Since
- their bread and butter was an IBM mainframe 4GL they were hit hard by
- marketplace disenchantment with IBM mainframes and they were
- unable to sustain the AI R&D project to fruition. They considered the
- AI-oriented reverse engineering project to be the future hope of the
- company. When the company went under, I was one of the last to go, and the
- AI project had not had time or adequate funding to become a product. The
- Japanese bought some rights to the technology, so it may still be alive
- somewhere in Japan. But the point is, the AI project was not dropped because
- it went out of fashion, it was held up as the future generation as far
- above the water as possible by its drowning father, but the father succumbed
- before the child could be saved.
-
- >o alternative career paths followed by AI Winter refugees.
-
- While looking for my next position I focused on improving my C/UNIX skills
- because they are becoming the lingua-franca of industry. I am now doing
- AI using those C/UNIX skills.
-
- >
- > Countervaling views are welcome, but please be prepared to explain
- >the following phenomena: near-zero employment opportunities advertised
- >in AI Magazine and similar forums; near-zero recruiting at recent AAAI
- >conferences; major declines in attendance at AAAI over the past
- >several years.
-
- Declines in attendance -- personally I have not gone to ANY conference
- that required me to travel for the past several years -- travel budgets
- have suffered major declines. If AAAI has suffered more than others, then
- which others?
-
- Near-zero recruiting? AI is still leading edge stuff and companies are
- not launching new leading edge (i.e. highly R&D oriented) projects in the
- middle of a depression (err... 'economic downturn' :-) They don't need
- new people with AI as their only skill -- they are struggling to keep
- funding for existing projects.
-
- I checked and don't see much in the way of employment opportunities advertised
- in Dr. Dobb's either. Last time I looked in Communications of the ACM
- and in IEEE Computer Magazine, there were jobs advertised in all disiplines,
- including AI, but the quantity was much less than I remember seeing in the
- past. Perhaps you might give some comparative statistics for the
- percentage and absolute number of jobs advertised in AI in such a general
- forum. Personally, I consider myself to be an AI person, but if I am looking
- for a job, I think CACM and IEEE Computer, not AI Magazine. Perhaps advertisers
- think likewise.
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