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- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:50:58 PDT
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- From: marken@AERO.ORG
- Subject: Re: The paradox of control
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- [From Rick Marken (920827.1530)]
-
- Martin Taylor (920827 16:15)
-
- >You presented the paradox as a way to get non-PCT believers in S-R to see
- >that their position was untenable and that they should convert to the true
- >way. If the paradox evaporates when seen from the S-R position, then it
- >does not provide a very powerful means for inducing that conversion.
-
- I'm not that interested in the paradox as a way of getting S-R theorists
- to switch to control theory. I am much more interested in the paradox
- as a way of illustrating the self-contradictory nature of the assumption
- that human problems can be solved by control of other people. This
- solution to problems is not just a penchant of SR theorists or
- reinforcement theorists. It is the the approach that is advocated (and
- used) by many people, every day, as a way to make the world a better
- place. I bet that most people think about control just the way Skinner did.
- They believe that people can be controlled and that they themselves
- can exert that control if they just try hard enough. Parents believe it;
- teachers believe it; civic leaders believe it; employers believe it;
- managers believe it; children believe it; even I apparenly believe it
- sometimes (as some of my efforts to brow beat people into accepting PCT
- might suggest -- thanks Chuck). The paradox of control is for people
- who believe that they can make things better (ie. the way they want it) by
- controlling other people. It points to why it doesn't work even though it
- seems like it should. It suggests how important it is for psychologists
- to start trying to understand how people control, and to stop worrying
- about how to control people.
-
- Best regards
-
- Rick
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