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- Posted-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 13:40:56 PDT
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- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:40:56 PDT
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- From: marken@AERO.ORG
- Subject: control, trends
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- [From Rick Marken (920825.1330)]
-
- First, a quick question to the net (especially Gary Cziko and Dennis
- Delprato):
-
- Does anyone know of any written critique of Behaviorism which explicitly
- cites the following problem (that Gary mentioned some time ago) :if
- human behavior is controlled by the environment (as claimed by Behaviorists)
- then Behaviorists themselves should not be able to exert control over people
- (as they say that they can -- and should) because they are under control?
- What I want is a critique that points out that control cannot be exerted
- by agents that are controlled. I have never seen any detailed critique
- of Behaviorism from this perspective. The critiques I've seen usually
- just say "there is so a mind" to which the Behaviorists reply "is not" to
- which the cognitivists reply "is so" and so on -- a process called
- philosophical psychology.
-
- A random note -- it seems that the trendiness in science is somewhat
- self-correcting. The following was posted to sci.cognitive:
-
-
- > I am writing an article on AI Winter Refugees: un(der)employment
- >among AI professionals.
-
- Looks like ai has run its course. I guess that's why we're seeing
- new words -- artificial life might work for a few years (ai worked
- for about 7); neural nets should have peaked in a couple if they have
- the staying power of ai. I hope chaos and fuzzy logic don't create
- even larger unemployment lines. I just wish PCT could have it's shot
- at fame -- if it's just another trendy science we would at least have
- a few years of fun. But I think it would prove to be a wonderfully
- enduring surprise. Ah well.
-
- Best regards
-
- Rick
-
- PS. Tom. Good luck with the hurricane. But I must admit that it's nice
- to see that at least ONE bad thing is not happening in LA.
-
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