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- From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
- Newsgroups: tor.general,ut.general
- Subject: Re: Computer shops in Toronto --- opinions?
- Message-ID: <2A8A6993.6C5A@telly.on.ca>
- Date: 13 Aug 92 13:54:26 GMT
- References: <713538707.9884@zooid.guild.org>
- Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
- Lines: 66
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- In article <713538707.9884@zooid.guild.org>
- vid@zooid.guild.org (David Mason) writes:
-
- >>>buy from, I would like to find out about other people's experiences with
- >>>Toronto's computer shops. The things I am trying to find out are:
- >> [...stuff deleted...]
- >>Shop around Future Shop when they have something on sale.
- >
- >I don't like Future Shop's stuff, because they are always trying to sell
- >Brand" computers, which defeats the purpose of buying an IBM AT clone in the
- >first place.
-
- Is the main goal to have a good, solid working computer, or to insist
- on a clone?
-
- The marketplace for computers is getting more competitive and more
- commodity oriented. If you can buy a reputable-name-brand computer for
- the price of a clone, why bother with the clone?
-
- I have totally given up on clone makers. Because of the nature of the
- business, they generally belong to the motherboard-of-the-month club,
- and next year when something goes wrong, they may not even have the
- jumper-pin settings for the one you buy today, let alone know how to
- service it.
-
- Cheap clones also have been known to use flimsy^H^H^H^H^H^Hnovel
- caching schemes which can break many versions of UNIX. And their bus
- timings can be off in ways that are tolerated by DOS but cause memory
- errors under UNIX.
-
- These kinds of experience has happened to me at thee separate Mississauga
- clone makers (some of whom came highly recommended), and have send me to the
- low-end brands from the mainstream computer makers. The Everex Tempo,
- AST Bravo, and ALR Flyer lines are designed explicitly to compete with
- clones, and do a fair job of it. The name brand stuff has never given me
- the headaches that the clones have, and my time spent on the clones more
- than made up for their cheaper prices.
-
- >You're much better off buying a true clone, one that can have
- >it's parts swapped with other standard clone parts.
-
- I consider this a bug, not a feature. If you feel good about buying your
- computer from a clone shop where it's easier to swap a bad board than do
- it right the first time, go ahead. I have better things to do with my time.
-
- >Besides, most of the people who work at Future Shop don't really seem to know
- >what they are talking about.
-
- Who gives a damn?
-
- Now that more computer shoppers know what they want and can buy stuff
- without need for skilled salesmen, the commodity, low-markup shops can
- be a good choice. I found a better price on my Laserjet at FutureShop
- than at any "pure" computer store, even lower than the "dealer" pricing
- I was given by some suppliers. I didn't need the salesman to do anything
- more than draw up the invoice, the shopping for features had aleady been
- done.
-
- Some of the best places to buy hardware now are places you might least
- expect. Price Club now sell Dell. If you know what you want, why spend
- money on sales help you don't need?
-
- --
- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
- evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
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