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- From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
- Subject: Re: free will
- Message-ID: <1992Aug21.175809.1481@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
- Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
- References: <1992Aug17.181001.18309@cis.umassd.edu> <14910005@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>
- Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:58:09 GMT
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- In article <14910005@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> ric@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Ric Peregrino) writes:
- >
- >>So what? Knowledge is still irrelevant to the argument that dave
- >>was responding to.
- >
- >So what? The point I made was that even if God knows that there is determinism,
- >there may be no way He can prove it to you.
- >
- >I think a precise definition of free will is required. I won't try too make
- >one, but point out some possible directions.
- >
- >1. Free will exists if there is no way to make predictions.
- >2. Free will doesn't exist if there is a deterministic physics, and
- > free will does exist if there isn't a deterministic physics.
- >
- >1. may seem silly, but consider the chocolate vs. vanilla question. If one
- >can know which you will choose, then you certainly don't have free will.
- >If no one but you can know which, then you have this free will.
- >
- >2. is black or white, and, like you point out above, one's knowledge is
- >irrelevant.
- >
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-
- Silly season stuff, boychik.
- Given chaos theory, even a deterministic U, since unguessable, would
- count as "free";
- Given QM, electrons have f.w.
-
- Not that you are to be blamed for this little lapse, what with
- heredity and environment at work (grin).
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