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- From: muh@physics20 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
- Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
- Subject: Re: Assasination
- Date: 19 Aug 1992 23:11:41 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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- References: <1992Aug19.181238.14909@husc3.harvard.edu>
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- First I would like to remind how this discussian started. Somebody
- accused Ukrainian on genocide and holocaust of Jews. I'm not going
- to justify the killing of Jews during civil war by any etnic or social
- group. I think it was awful. The only think I want to comment to is
- I do not think it can be called genocide. Civil war lead to killing
- of millions of peoples of every nation. I'm quite sure that every
- Ukrainian or Russian family have not one person killed during that
- time. Most Europian nations were involved at some point in oppressing
- Jews, maybe another century ago.
-
- By comparison, what Hitler did was specifically aimed to extermination
- of Jews. Number of Jews survived in Germany or Chehia (sorry for possibly
- wrong spelling), occupied since 1936 was tens or hundreds.
-
- Now, returning to the end of discussion:
-
- In article <1992Aug19.181238.14909@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
- >In a recent discussion I noted the legitimacy of assasination as the last
- >recourse for obtaining justice, as witnessed by the German and French court
- >decisions in the cases of Tehlirian's 1921 killing of Talaat Bey and
- >Schwartsbard's 1927 killing of Petliura. It is my considered opinion that
- >such a course of action may be morally justified, *provided that* no other
- >means of bringing the criminal to justice are available, and that the
- >assasin is willing to submit to trial for his action. However, other
-
- Unfortunately, person in question is dead by that time, do you think
- executing the muderer will revive him?
-
- Killing of Ferdinand in Saraevo in 1914 certanly satisfies your definition
- of legitimate killing. It caused (at least nominally) WWI, revolution
- in Russia and death of many Jews during Civil war, not to mention other
- people died in that war.
-
- >historical cases, like that of the politically inconclusive, though highly
- >spectacular French anarchist _propaganda par le fait_ of the 1890's, make
- >me doubt the soundness of my reasoning. Accordingly, I would like to hear
- >some calm arguments from people interested in history, legal theory, and
- >political philosophy. I suggest that all participants observe the followup
- >line, and attempt to keep this discussion reasonably noise-free.
- >
- Yury
-