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- From: dolan@noarlw.UUCP (Kent Paul Dolan)
- Newsgroups: talk.bizarre
- Subject: Re: The wages of Stupidity are Death
- Message-ID: <9208202314.AA00574@helium>
- Date: 20 Aug 92 19:37:30 GMT
- Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
- Lines: 79
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- Sho claims that smoking is self destructive, and that
- self-destructiveness is not equivalent to stupidity, and seeks thereby
- to counter my claim that smoking among the t.b crowd is stupidity.
-
- To which I must respond:
-
- The connection of cigarette smoking to lung cancer was well documented
- before I left high school in 1961, and has been constantly brought to
- public awareness daily ever since at least in the United States.
-
- Most of t.b being under the age of 31, those of you who smoke have been
- told SINCE BIRTH that doing so will kill you or maim you in all the many
- ways so eloquently mentioned by mathew.
-
- Ignoring information that can save ones life, that has been present and
- loudly apparent so long as one has been alive, and allowing oneself to
- become addicted thereby, and making rationalizations thereafter for not
- taking steps to break that addiction, is stupidity. No kinder term will
- do.
-
- mjd comes up with one of the oldest, and least valid, rationalizations
- for failing to take himself in hand and break his addiction ever heard:
- too many other things in my life are more dangerous than smoking, and
- you don't advise me to cease participating in them. He gives the
- example of living in West Philadelphia with its attendant risk of being
- murdered. He thereby proves to be not just a self justifying addict,
- but innumerate to boot.
-
- The United States has about 250,000,000 citizens, and they suffer about
- 300,000 smoking related fatalities a year. I don't have figures for
- _West_ Philadelphia, but my dictionary puts the population of
- Philadelphia at 1,688,210 as of the census before its publication, so
- lets go with that.
-
- Now 1,688,210 x
- ---------- = -------
- 250,000,000 300,000
-
- Gives 2025 and a fraction as the number of annual smoking related deaths
- per year expected in Philadelphia.
-
- The US also enjoys on the order of 25,000 homicides per year; may be twice
- that if that's just the handgun figure, but the point will be easily made
- in either case.
-
- Now 1,688,210 x
- ---------- = -------
- 250,000,000 25,000
-
- gives 168 and a fraction homicides expected in Philadelphia per year. More
- likely it is double that, as cities are in general more homicidal places
- than the average of the nation, but let's plow on.
-
- To be more dangerous than smoking, living in Philadelphia would have to
- be 2025/168 = 12 and a fraction times more dangerous than is now the
- case, or, if each of the above doublings is allowed, at least three
- times more dangerous.
-
- Thus, ON THE EVIDENCE, smoking is FAR AND AWAY the most dangerous
- single risk to which mjd voluntarily exposes himself.
-
- But, like most smokers and every addict I've ever met, he responds with
- delusions and attacks on the messenger when the point is made obvious,
- rather than with the rational behavior of a person unenslaved.
-
- No, bc, mjd's response to mathew was not superior to yours. It was merely
- an even more pitiful example of self-delusion and rationalization.
-
- Bizarre behavior may not equate to stupidity, but in this case I fail
- to see the element that sufficiently differentiates the two.
-
- And excusing it as "merely self-destructive" misses the point, Sho.
-
- Kent, the man from xanth.
- --
- Telling you that you don't owe a lung to Ligget and Meyers, whatever
- they may try to tell you to the contrary, however little they want you
- to consider the facts and hurt their profit margins by saving your own
- life.
-