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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: WHO OWNS WHO?...or is it whom?...or what?
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- References: <1992Aug9.005924.1301@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> <1992Aug10.131839.16625@mcs.gvsu.edu> <1992Aug10.224355.22522@coopsol.com> <1992Aug11.151252.25274@menudo.uh.edu> <92225.110850ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <nyikos.713891006@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Date: 17 Aug 92 19:58:42 GMT
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- I'm still getting no feedback on my follow-up posts. Let me try this one
- again. Anybody who sees this is welcome to answer the questions their way;
- don't wait for Ms. Birmingham to answer them.
-
- Peter Nyikos
-
- In <nyikos.713891006@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
-
- >In <92225.110850ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca (Linda Birmingham) writes:
-
- >>In article <1992Aug11.151252.25274@menudo.uh.edu> MILLER, JIMMY A. says:
- >>>
- >>>In <1992Aug10.224355.22522@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com writes:
- >>>
- >>>> Should a mindless fetus, for the sake of it's 'bodily autonomy', be able
- >>>> to ruin a person's life, damaging them physically, mentally, and
- >>>> financially?
- >>>> Gordon
- >>>
- >>> Just to be nit-picky, none of these awful things are certain or even
- >>>likely, Gordon, as you well know.
-
- >>Mr. Miller it would appear you know nothing about pregnancy.
-
- >Just how much do you know, Ms. Birmingham? I'm not asking how much
- >pro-choice and pro-abortion [see Forgach's re-post of my
- >distribution-messed earlier posts for the difference]
- >propaganda you've soaked up. Just the facts, Ma'am.
-
- >>Every pregnancy will cause some physical damage.
-
- >So does every vaccination. The question is, do the benefits
- >outweigh the damages?
-
- >>You can not force a
- >>fetus weighing 6lbs and up, through the vaginal opening
- >>without causing tearing and subsequent scaring.
-
- >I know this is false as regards pregnancies other than the
- >first. Are you sure it is true of first pregnancies?
- >Also, do you have any idea how much physical damage an
- >abortion of a first pregnancy causes the woman?
-
- >> Then of course
- >>there is physical damage caused by c-sections. You are aware
- >>that the US has the highest rate of surgical births in the
- >>world, aren't you?
-
- >I thought it was Brazil. Where do you get your statistics?
-
- >>Ninety percent of women will suffer post partnum depression
- >>within the first 10 days of giving birth.
-
- >Again, where do you get your statistics?
-
- >> Ten percent of
- >>these will require hospitalization and/or medication.
-
- >Same question.
-
- >>The financial costs of pregnancy are well documented,
- >>even in countries that have health care. There is the
- >>loss of wages due to time off, the additional costs of
- >>medicine and nutritional supplements to name a few.
- >>Statistics on single mothers show a higher percentage
- >>living on welfare or at poverty levels when they left
- >>school young to start families, than single mothers living
- >>above poverty.
-
- >You're getting to sound more and more like a pro-abortion,
- >as opposed to a pro-choice person.
-
-
- >>Mr. Miller your repeated trivialization of the effects
- >>of pregnancy and child birth in this newsgroup display
- >>a contemptuous attitude toward women. I don't care what
- >>your views on abortion are, but your dismissal of the very
- >>real physical and mental stresses that a woman undergoes
- >>while carrying a fetus to term is either due to ignorance
- >>or misogyny. Both can be rectified.
-
- >So far, I have not seen you address the very real physical
- >and mental stresses that a woman undergoes before, during,
- >and after having a fetus aborted. Maybe you and "Jammer
- >Jim" can work out a joint statement.
-
-