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- From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
- Subject: Re: A mirror for Adrienne Regard's NO OTHER HUMAN...
- Message-ID: <1992Aug20.174421.13904@advtech.uswest.com>
- Keywords: puberty, surrealistic
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- References: <nyikos.713885513@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:44:21 GMT
- Lines: 91
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- > = (Peter Nyikos) writes:
-
- >In a recent follow-up to "Another good reason not to vote for Bush",
- >Ms. Regard harped on a theme she hammered away at a little over a month
- >ago. Back then she posted a statement which went about like this.
- >
- >"NO OTHER HUMAN BEING on this planet has the right to occupy a woman's
- >body against her will, yet you would give fetuses that right? I think
- >that's bogus."
-
- >Compare that to the following statement:
- >
- >"NO OTHER HUMAN BEING on this planet has the right to have a fetus occupy
- >his/her body, yet you would give women and girls...
-
- Or, "women".
-
- >...past puberty that right? I think that's bogus."
-
- Sounds redundant. What's your point?
-
- [...]
- >[I decided not to mention the will of the fetus. When last I checked,
- >Ms. Regard seemed to have the opinion that fetuses cannot will anything.]
-
- Her opinion is accurate. You're making no sense so far. ("Will of the
- fetus"??? Thorazine time for Pete.)
-
- >[By the way, Ms. Regard, in case you are reading this: should a woman have
- >the right to use *LETHAL* force, if necessary, to prevent a Norplant
- >from being implanted in her body against her will?]
-
- I doubt if Regard would answer differently than I: Of *course* she has
- that right.
-
- >Also, a father can legally compel a daughter, in some cases, to submit
- >to an abortion of a pregnancy due to incest at his hands.
-
- (Um, what daughter _wouldn't_ want an abortion from a pregnancy due to
- incest?)
-
- That's why Parental Notification is such bullshit; thanks for proving that
- point. My stance is that only the woman has the right to decide. I do
- not agree with forced abortion of any kind. You, on the other hand,
- apparently support forced birth. Who's the jerk here?
-
- >In my
- >COERCED ABORTION post last month, I mentioned a South Carolina state
- >law governing 3rd trimester abortions, which stated that unless an
- >incest victim is deemed competent [and who does the "deeming"? the
- >abortionist?], her consent to an abortion performed on her
- >"must be waived."
-
- Please expand. If an incest victim is mentally incompetent, exactly why
- would you want the victim to give birth? Where's your outrage that she
- was made pregnant by some shithead who should be in jail?
-
- >I am currently trying to find out whether this applies to incest abortions
- >all through pregnancy. It makes a macabre sort of sense: what with the
- >added risks of late abortions, even an abortionist should want to get
- >things over early, and not wait for the 3rd trimester to bring such a
- >"consent must be waived" clause into play.
-
- Yes, it'd be nice to have all the facts about this. Anyone from South
- Carolina that's knowledgeable about this alleged law?
-
- >A final note. In Aldous Huxley's _Brave New World_, humans are raised
- >in artificial wombs, contraception is mandatory, and pregnancy is
- >punished by banishment.
-
- In "A Handmaid's Tale", all fertile women are enslaved, raped, and forced
- to give birth when impregnated. Abortion is punishable by torture and/or death.
-
- >Huxley's novel is set 6 centuries in the future. At the rate we have
- >been going this century, we'll get there ahead of schedule, if the
- >pro-choice myrmydons keep having their way.
-
- (Possibly you meant "mymidons" - a perfect description of pro-life
- religious nuts.)
-
- We're a hell of a lot closer to "A Handmaid's Tale" (like, 1 or 2 more Supreme
- Court misogynists like Thomas, Rehnquist and Scalia) then we are to your
- bullshit.
-
- Look in that mirror yourself. Do you see a fascist?
-
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