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- From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: The Continuing Story of DearOldDoug's Lies
- Message-ID: <1992Aug20.153914.18082@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
- Date: 20 Aug 92 15:39:14 GMT
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- dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- > chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >> dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >>> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >>>> dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >>>>> [.. out of context quote deleted ..]
-
- >>>> How does it feel being the target of your own tactics?
-
- >>> I've never quoted you or anyone else out of context.
-
- >> What about Bill Clinton?
-
- > "Take responsibility for your children, or we will force you to do it."
- > -- Bill Clinton, speaking at the Democratic National Convention
-
- The complete quote is "Fathers, take responsibility for your children, or
- we will force you to do it." You did it again, liar.
-
- > Bill Clinton obviously supports laws which would force parents
- > to take responsibility for their children. Every rational person
- > knows what he means by the word ``children''. Obviously, you
- > don't.
-
- Sure, liar. Havin a son and a daughter of my own disqualifies me from
- that sort of arcane knowledge. Dazzle me more with your cluelessness.
-
- >> Adrienne Regard?
-
- > "For some of us, abortion on demand *is* no more serious than demanding
- > a hamburger." -- Adrienne Regard
-
- > Adrienne Regard hasn't even complained about my quote. Complain to
- > her if you don't like that quote.
-
- Not having seen the context in which her statement appeared, I'll pass.
- I suspect that if the shoe was on the other foot, you would have edited
- this part out, liar.
-
- >> The Supreme Court?
-
- > Please demonstrate that I've quoted any Supreme Court decision
- > out of context. If you can't, then I'm going to ask for an apology.
-
- I thought you'd never ask. In article <1992Aug15.172538.5884@ncsu.edu>,
- you cited:
-
- DOD> "The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant
- DOD> woman by denying this choice altogether is apparent. Specific
- DOD> and direct harm medically diagnosable even in early pregnancy
- DOD> may be involved. Maternity, or additional offspring, may
- DOD> force upon the woman a distressful life and future.
- DOD> Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental and physical
- DOD> health may be taxed by child care. There is also the
- DOD> distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted
- DOD> child, and there is the problem of bringing a child into
- DOD> a family already unable, psychologically and otherwise,
- DOD> to care for it. In other cases, as in this one, the
- DOD> additional difficulties and continuing stigma of unwed
- DOD> motherhood may be involved. All these are factors the
- DOD> woman and her responsible physician necessarily will
- DOD> consider in consultation."
- DOD>
- DOD> Roe v. Wade, 35 L Ed 2d at 177 (1973)
-
- and J.C. Greenfield replied in article
- <1992Aug17.131337.3354@newstand.syr.edu>:
-
- JCG> Did you really believe that this pathetic lie would pass unscathed?
- JCG>
- JCG> Why didn't you also cite the paragraph that *immediately* follows in
- JCG> the Roe opinion?
- JCG>
- JCG> "On the basis of elements such as these, appellants and some *amici*
- JCG> argue that a woman's right is absolute and that she is entitled to
- JCG> terminate her pregnancy at whatever time, in whatever way, and for
- JCG> whatever reasons she alone chooses. With this we do not agree."
-
- There were at least three recursions of that episode, based on different
- fragments of RvW you cited. Susan Garvin has also caught you doing this,
- more times than I can remember.
-
- >> Chris Lyman - email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov - #include <std.disclaimers.h>
- >> "... all women think alike on the issue of abortion ..." -- Doug Holtsinger
-
- > I've quoted entire sentences, you haven't. Now who's being intentionally
- > malicious? You are.
-
- Did I call you malicious? And how come you give no warning when _you_
- delete text?
-
- Your Clinton quote is not an entire sentence, liar. If I choose to deal
- with you using your own tactics, and you call me malicious, what does
- that make you?
-
- > And Chris Lyman is a sexist for believing that all women think alike
- > on the issue of abortion.
-
- How do we get from "all women deserve" to "all women want" to "all women
- think alike?" Explain that, fool. Entertain us.
-
- [from the header]
- > Followup-To: talk.abortion,misc.test
-
- Nice follow-up line. No malicious intent there, right Dougie? Your
- projection of your own motivations to others is as transparent as spring
- water, but your thinking is as polluted as the Chicago River.
-
- --
- Chris Lyman - email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov - #include <std.disclaimers.h>
- "... all women think alike on the issue of abortion ..." -- Doug Holtsinger
-