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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: WHO OWNS WHO?...or is it whom?...or what?
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- Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
- References: <1992Aug9.005924.1301@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> <1992Aug10.131839.16625@mcs.gvsu.edu> <1992Aug10.224355.22522@coopsol.com> <1992Aug11.151252.25274@menudo.uh.edu> <92225.110850ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
- Date: 15 Aug 92 15:03:26 GMT
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- In <92225.110850ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca (Linda Birmingham) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Aug11.151252.25274@menudo.uh.edu> MILLER, JIMMY A. says:
- >>
- >>In <1992Aug10.224355.22522@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com writes:
- >>
- >>> Should a mindless fetus, for the sake of it's 'bodily autonomy', be able
- >>> to ruin a person's life, damaging them physically, mentally, and
- >>> financially?
- >>> Gordon
- >>
- >> Just to be nit-picky, none of these awful things are certain or even
- >>likely, Gordon, as you well know.
-
- >Mr. Miller it would appear you know nothing about pregnancy.
-
- Just how much do you know, Ms. Birmingham? I'm not asking how much
- pro-choice and pro-abortion [see Forgach's re-post of my
- distribution-messed earlier posts for the difference]
- propaganda you've soaked up. Just the facts, Ma'am.
-
- >Every pregnancy will cause some physical damage.
-
- So does every vaccination. The question is, do the benefits
- outweigh the damages?
-
- >You can not force a
- >fetus weighing 6lbs and up, through the vaginal opening
- >without causing tearing and subsequent scaring.
-
- I know this is false as regards pregnancies other than the
- first. Are you sure it is true of first pregnancies?
- Also, do you have any idea how much physical damage an
- abortion of a first pregnancy causes the woman?
-
- > Then of course
- >there is physical damage caused by c-sections. You are aware
- >that the US has the highest rate of surgical births in the
- >world, aren't you?
-
- I thought it was Brazil. Where do you get your statistics?
-
- >Ninety percent of women will suffer post partnum depression
- >within the first 10 days of giving birth.
-
- Again, where do you get your statistics?
-
- > Ten percent of
- >these will require hospitalization and/or medication.
-
- Same question.
-
- >The financial costs of pregnancy are well documented,
- >even in countries that have health care. There is the
- >loss of wages due to time off, the additional costs of
- >medicine and nutritional supplements to name a few.
- >Statistics on single mothers show a higher percentage
- >living on welfare or at poverty levels when they left
- >school young to start families, than single mothers living
- >above poverty.
-
- You're getting to sound more and more like a pro-abortion,
- as opposed to a pro-choice person.
-
-
- >Mr. Miller your repeated trivialization of the effects
- >of pregnancy and child birth in this newsgroup display
- >a contemptuous attitude toward women. I don't care what
- >your views on abortion are, but your dismissal of the very
- >real physical and mental stresses that a woman undergoes
- >while carrying a fetus to term is either due to ignorance
- >or misogyny. Both can be rectified.
-
- So far, I have not seen you address the very real physical
- and mental stresses that a woman undergoes before, during,
- and after having a fetus aborted. Maybe you and "Jammer
- Jim" can work out a joint statement.
-
-