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- From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
- Subject: Re: More questions for Suzanne or other pro-life parent
- Message-ID: <1992Aug20.010011.16783@noao.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:00:11 GMT
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- From article <+h6m50a.gordons@netcom.com>, by gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga):
- >
- > <1992Aug12.232518.26589@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
- >>gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga):
- > ....
-
- [discussing a hypothetical situation that an minor daughter of Suzanne's
- had an abortion]
-
-
- >>> Do you try to see her side of it? Do you ask her to explain?
- >>
- >>Yet BET I do!
- >
- > Confusion: You see her side of it? OR Do you ask her to explain?
-
- I "try to see her side of it" by "asking her to explain". How many
- "yesses" do you want?
-
-
- > Your
- > single answer wasn't clear as to which question you were answering.
- > I'd be interested in hearing how you could see her side of it.
-
- By asking her her reasons. Just about every truly pro-life mother
- *I* know has taken her teenage daughter asside at some time and said,
- "I don't expect you'll ever get pregnant, but if it were ever to
- happen, you know that I would help you raise the baby until you were
- established enough to take care of him/her yourself." And you know
- what? Daughters from trusting loving homes like that RARELY ever do
- get pregnant!
-
-
-
- >>> If you can manage it, stay in the
- >>> hypothetical, but try to personalize it in a 'real world' sense.
- >>
- >>The real world is what you make it, Gordon.
- >
- > Oh, my world is as real as they come. Yours appears to be fairly
- > fantastical.
-
- No Gordon. Your world of doom, gloom, and perpetual pessimism is
- NOT real at all. The world IS what you make it. You make yours
- a cesspool by expecting your kids to sleep around exposing themselves
- to all sorts of horrible diseases, not to mention parenthood before
- their time. I make ours (my daughter's and mine) a world of decency
- and love, where she knows from early on how to reciprocate. She
- will want for her children nothing less than what she has grown up
- with herself. And you know what Gordon? Kids have a way of living
- up to EXACTLY what you EXPECT of them. You expect your kids to
- be animals of the street, who will be unable to control themselves
- in getting pregnant, and then will become physically violent when
- you try to help them. And your kids would grow up exactly like that,
- Gordon. My kids will grow up decent, loving, and in full control
- of their futures. Because those are the worlds we're creating
- for them as they are growing up.
-
- Yes Gordon, I know you've had a vasectomy. You've posted it to
- the world before. And for the sake of the kids you didn't have,
- I'm glad.
-
-
- >>The real world is that parents CAN and DO have a HUGE influence on
- >>their children's view of the world.
- >
- > Sure do, but they have little control.
-
- That's why you teach them young how to control themselves.
-
-
- > All in all, you answered pretty much the way I thought you might: You
- > denied that any of these things was a remote possibility for your
- > daughter.
-
- I denied that I can have no influence whatsoever on my daughter.
- The fact is that you have complete influence AND control while your
- children are still young, and as she is still very young, it is not
- too late for my kid, so she will be taught how to control herself.
-
- You apparently would be too lazy to teach your kids the self-control
- they'd need in this world, and so you throw up your hands and say
- "it cain't be done". Of course it can be done. You just can't be
- bothered, Gordon.
-
-
- > You'd claim she murdered her child, but wouldn't report her for
- > murder. You'd (apparently) physically drag her to counseling whether
- > she needed it or not, whether she wanted it or not.
-
- Correction: YOUR kid would need to be dragged. My kid is will not be
- the street animal your kid would be, because I'm seeing to it that she's
- not. She is, and always will be, a human being.
-
-
- > I wonder if you'd
- > mind answering all these questions again, but this time assume that
- > abortion has been made completely illegal, with federal punishment for
- > procuring and abetting abortion. I'm just curious of your treatment of
- > your daughter would change if had committed murder in the *legal* sense.
-
- Certainly not, because I've said for years that I advocate that the law
- hunt down _abortionists_ themselves, since an abortionist will be guilty
- of far many more abortions than one scared teenage girl. I have never
- advocated treating women like criminals.
-
-
- > Gordon
-
- Suzanne.
-