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- From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
- Subject: Re: Bush, Clinton, and the Abortion Issue
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- Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:28:01 GMT
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- [Nice try on the newsgroups line, Doug. Do you usually like sending
- responses away from the core constituency?)
-
- dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >A great deal of controversy has swirled around the platform of the
- >Republican party calling for a constitutional amendment banning all
- >abortions. President Bush has said through a spokesman that he supports
- >the platform.
-
- >I believe that Bush does not personally support such a ban, but he does
- >not wish to alienate some members of the Republican party by criticizing
- >the platform.
-
- If Bush is more worried about alienating members of his party than he is
- about allowing exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother where
- abortion is concerned, then he's a cynical sonofabitch who's better off out
- of office.
-
- >Clinton has had to change his abortion stance to place it in line with
- >the Democratic platform of unrestricted abortion-on-demand.
-
- Sorry. The Democratic platform is NOT unrestricted abortion-on-demand, as
- has been pointed out to you an almost uncountable number of times by now,
- Mr. Holtsinger. The platform supports the FOCA, which is not unrestricted
- abortion-on-demand per se; and the reality of the current situation is
- *definitely* not unrestricted abortion on demand.
-
- Lie number one.
-
- >As governor
- >of Arkansas, he signed legislation requiring parental notification,
-
- Yes, he did. That is accurate, and something I don't agree with.
-
- >Clinton has stated that he would not veto Medicaid funding of abortions
- >for poor women.
-
- A very pro-choice attitude.
-
- >I think we can all agree that a ban on all abortions is a minority-
- >-held position, even in the Republican party. But the Democratic
- >platform of unrestricted abortion-on-demand is also a minority-held
- >position.
-
- Unrestricted abortion on demand is probably a minority-held position, yes.
- Unfortunately for your propaganda machine, it is also NOT the Democratic
- platform. That's your second attempt at this lie in one post; very good.
-
- >The situation we have today is essentially unrestricted abortion-on-
- >demand.
-
- No, it is not. Not legally, and not realistically. Try listening to Larry
- Margolis and others before lying Yet Again. (That's number three, for those
- keeping score at home.)
-
- >The Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade does not permit the
- >states to prohibit abortions even when the fetus is viable.
-
- Bright green bullshit. RvW most certainly *does* allow restrictions on
- abortion; a few in the second trimester and quite a bit in the third. Try
- reading it someplace other than the OR handbook.
-
- >The very
- >broad definition of "health" given by the Court includes emotional
- >and psychological health. A pregnant woman carrying a viable fetus
- >need only find a physician who's willing to perform the abortion for
- >her "mental health".
-
- And if she's in the third trimester, that's three doctors total. Nationwide.
-
- And just how many women do you think *would* suddenly decide she needs an
- abortion for "mental health" that late in the game, hmm? Do you have *that*
- low an opinion of women?
-
- >If Bush is re-elected, all he could do is to appoint a Supreme Court
- >justice who may vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.
-
- "All". What you so intriguingly fail to mention is that a fifth vote would
- very probably overturn RvW entirely and leave the whole thing up in the air.
-
- >It's not even clear whether Bush will
- >get an opportunity to appoint a justice.
-
- Nonsense. Blackmun has all but said outright that he's retiring very early
- into 1993; and it's all but certain he wouldn't stick around for four years
- even if he changed his mind.
-
- >And Congress will certainly
- >put up a good fight to prevent Bush from appointing a justice who
- >may vote to overturn Roe.
-
- And, if the right wing's smear tactics remain at their current level, they'd
- lose. Or have you forgotten the Thomas-Hill hearings?
-
- >The Court may not overturn Roe completely.
-
- "May". Interesting that when your past appeals to "morality" haven't worked,
- you're now campaigning for Bush by saying "well, maybe he wouldn't do THAT
- much". Aren't you upset that he *might* betray your basic principles? And if
- not, doesn't that make you just as hypocritical as he is?
-
- >Some restrictions on state
- >abortion legislation could remain. And even if Roe was overturned
- >completely, many states have indicated that they will not pass
- >legislation restricting or prohibiting abortion. Abortion would
- >remain legal even if Roe is overturned.
-
- Patchwork and piecemeal. I don't believe the legality of abortion should
- depend on where you live or how much money you have. You evidently do.
-
- >In summary, I believe the controversy surrounding the Republican
- >platform on abortion has been blown way out of proportion.
-
- Funny; looks like the possibility of controversy at the convention was blown
- right off the floor. The Bush team is good at stifling dissent at the moment,
- I'll grant that. Pity it will do them not a bit of good when facing people
- who don't want him in office.
-
- >People
- >knew that Bush was opposed to abortion when he was elected in 1988.
- >They knew that he might appoint justices to the Supreme Court who
- >could vote to overturn Roe. This time is no different.
-
- Except that this time is two justices and several important cases later.
- People have woken up and realized the danger they're in.
-
- I am amused, Doug. Your backpedaling in an effort to keep Bush in the
- White House is second only to Bush's himself.
-
- Tim Lynch
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