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- From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
- Subject: Re: WHO OWNS WHO?...or is it whom?...or what?
- In-Reply-To: gordons@coopsol.com's message of Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:50:05 GMT
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- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:14:22 GMT
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- In <1992Aug14.205005.15673@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com writes:
- > <1992Aug13.211626.15421@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.):
- > >In <16e9bfINNijc@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@sdd.hp.com writes:
- > >> In article <1992Aug13.155229.7513@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
- > >>[deletion]
- > >>> I was merely bringing Gordon's statement to heel. Unwanted (or even wanted,
- > >>>for that matter) pregnancies CAN do all these things--with the effect of "ruin."
- > >>>But it is NOT a certainty. Or highly likley.
- > >>
- > >>How can you tell?
- > >
- > > How can you? Got any hard data? I've been looking (obviously in the wrong
- > >places) to no avail. And you've deleted a lot--including my questions.
- >
- > I admit I do not have "hard data" on this, although it has been posted
- > here before. Perhaps someone will repost it. What I wonder is why anyone
- > has to justify to you what they do with their own bodies.
-
- The why is a question only they can answer, since they do not have to justify
- anything to me to do what they want. If someone wishes to justify their dec-
- ision, that is up to them. Very often, we make decisions that can affect other
- people. There is no one forcing us to justify ourselves. It is no requirement
- of taking an action. Often the need to justify lies within, not without, an
- individual. This applies primarily to those decisions of a personal nature.
-
- > > Gordon Storga is not a pregnant woman.
- >
- > Thanks for noticing. ;-)
-
- Well, it was the whiskers that were a dead give-away...
-
- > The main reason why my comments are accepted over yours is that you are
- > advocating oppression of women (to a certain extent), while I am
- > advocating freedom for women.
-
- For those of you missing my other post, I took pains to remind everyone
- that I am anti-abortion, not anti-choice. Gordon noticed this in another
- post. So I'm not in the oppresion business.
-
- > > Just between you and me and the the rest of the world, I'd vote for the
- > >pregnant woman too. She's a lot more likely to know--but there's no
- > >guaruntee either.
- >
- > There are no gaurentees in life. Only probabilities. Each person must
- > decide for themselves what that means to them.
-
- Bingo. Thus it behooves us to discuss the effects, and leave the decisions
- and the language ("ruin") to those making them. As I noted elsewhere, it is
- important to realize what is ruin to one person is merely an inconvenience to
- another--but simply saying the word causes them both to see what THEY consider
- ruin, even if the speaker has something else in mind entirely in the way of
- effects..
-
- > Again I say, if the women feels it (pregnancy) is ruining her life, then
- > it is ruining her life.
-
- Then it is best we leave the terminology to her.
-
- > If someone can post "hard data" I'd like to see it too.
-
- Look for something along these lines around 12 noon CST, Monday August 17.
- I'll be posting some of the effects of pregnancy. While I believe these will
- prove useful, there is very little in the way of statistics on problems or
- after-effects that we might agree are "ruinous", though there is mention of
- some. I apologize for being a little late (I wanted to post these tonight,
- which is Sunday), but my errands ran long. Any amplifications prior or
- post my own listing would be higly appreciated. Maybe this would make a
- good addition to the FAQ?
-
- semper fi,
-
- Jammer Jim Miller
- Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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