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- From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
- Subject: the issue is NOT clear (was Re: Another good reason...)
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- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:55:10 GMT
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- > = tbuckley@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Tim Buckley) writes:
- >
- > If one believes that the fetus
- > is a human being then the issue is clear. The right to life takes
- > precedence over other rights. It isn't that the woman does not have
- > rights it is that they are subservient to the right to life of the
- > fetus. [...]
- > The argument for women's reproductive right are based on the assumption
- > that the fetus is NOT a human being. [...]
-
- Wrongo-bongo.
- Reproductive rights are based on the assumption that a woman has a right
- to bodily autonomy, specifically, the right to be, or not to be pregnant.
- A specific fetus (ie. specify the stage of development)
- may or may not deserve certain rights (a moral debate) and
- may or may not have certain rights (a legal debate).
- *IF* it is established that fetus morally deserves, or legally has,
- a right to life, then this right is probably IN CONFLICT WITH a
- woman's right to bodily autonomy -- which leads to a debate over
- which right takes precedence.
-
- Also, I don't know what you mean by "human being".
- Does your definition of "human being" require any resemblance to normal,
- born human beings? Is a zygote a "human being"? If so, since it bears
- little resemblance (physically or mentally) to a "normal, born person",
- or to a "normal, born human being", it is definitely NOT "clear" that it
- deserves any rights at all, let alone a "right to life takes precedence
- over (*all*) other rights".
-
- So, please clarify:
- o define "human being"
- o argue it deserves a right to life
- o argue it's right to life supersedes a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
-
- -Brian
-
- PS: I'm starting to like this definition of "person" (or "human being"):
- Defn. PERSON: anyone who is, or anything that is in essence like,
- a normal, born human, ie. anything that is essentially the same as
- a normal, born human.
- The rational being that the rights that apply to normal, born humans
- would automatically and/or naturally extend to anything that is essentially
- the same as a normal, born human. These rights might also apply to
- non-persons or even non-humans, but it may not be immediately clear that
- this extension applies.
- I think this definition is faithfull to the normal usage of the word and
- avoids the semantic slight-of-hand which is all too common in t.a.
-