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- From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: More questions for Suzanne or other pro-life parent
- Message-ID: <1992Aug12.232518.26589@noao.edu>
- Date: 12 Aug 92 23:25:18 GMT
- References: <1992Aug4.002947.17019@coopsol.com>
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- From article by gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga):
- >
- > I have some questions for Suzanne based on this exchange and her known
- > position. The questions are asked honestly.
- >
- > Assume your daughter is under-age (say, 16).
- > Your daughter gets pregnant and has an abortion. You find out about it.
- > What do you do?
-
- Cry alot. That was my grandchild that was killed.
-
-
- > How do you treat her?
-
- Like I've always treated her. Very lovingly.
-
-
- > Do you beat her?
-
- Don't be ridiculous.
-
-
- > Do you scorn her?
-
- Don't be ridiculous.
-
- Neither of these would turn her heart from selfishness back to love and life.
-
-
- > Do you try to guilt her during this
- > trying time?
-
- Some guilt is appropriate, and I tell you now that she is growing up
- with picture books of unborn babies around the house. ("A Child is Born".)
- She will never get an abortion in ignorance.
-
-
- > Do you believe she would get an abortion lightly?
-
- If she'd had sex lightly, you bet. But she won't do either.
- She will be going to an NFP class at the first sign of her first cycle,
- and she will know exactly how her body works, how boys' bodies work,
- and where babies come from.
-
-
- > (I'm going to try to anticipate your answers, so bear with me. This is
- > purely to facilitate the conversation and not drag it out over several
- > weeks. If you disagree with my answers for you please supply your own.)
-
- (They just look like repitition to me.)
-
-
- > Based on your answers to previous posts, I'll assume you'll attempt to go
- > after the abortionist in some way. You've said as much before.
- > Let's say your daughter won't tell you where she got the abortion and
- > you're unable to find out.
-
- Let's say that I am raising my daughter so that it will never come to that.
- She will never get pregnant without having planned it.
-
- It's called "education".
-
-
- > What do you do? How do you treat her?
- >
- > Do you beat her? Do you scorn her? Do you try to guilt her during this
- > trying time? Do you believe she would protect the abortionist on a whim?
-
- Repetition is boring, Gordon.
-
-
- > I'll assume you'll try to get her some counseling to deal with her 'guilt'
- > which she *must* be feeling (you've implied this in other posts).
- > Let's say she won't go.
-
- She'll go. We've already established that I am the adult in this situation.
- She will go.
-
-
- > She won't talk to your priest, she won't even go
- > to church.
-
- I wouldn't send her to a male counselor. She will talk to other women
- who've been through it.
-
-
- > What do you do? How do you treat her?
- >
- > Do you beat her? Do you scorn her? Do you continue try to guilt her
- > during this trying time?
-
- More repetition is even more boring, Gordon.
-
-
- > Do you believe she acted irresponsibly and
- > now must pay the price?
-
- I'd believe she acted irresponsibly and now she needs my help.
-
-
- > Would you kick her out of the house (or
- > threaten to)
-
- Don't be stupid. Just to drive her to another pregnancy and another
- abortion in her unending search for love, aggravated by such an act?
-
- WHY DO YOU THINK TEENAGE GIRLS --GET-- PREGNANT, GORDON??!!
-
- It's not even half as much their sex drives as it is their desperate, mistaken,
- attempts to find love in a crazy, misguided world!!
-
- And you know what?? If they'd let their pregnancies go to term, they'd
- have it.
-
-
- > as Chaney implied he would in another post?
-
- He didn't imply it. He _stated_ it. And Chaney's not a parent yet, so
- I'd only believe he'd do such a thing when I actually saw him do it.
-
-
- > Do you tell her she just comitted murder?
-
- Yes.
-
- > Do you tell her she just
- > murdered her child?
-
- Yes.
-
- > That she had it cut up into little pieces because she
- > was unwilling to accept her responsibility?
-
- Yes, but she will have known that before having it done.
- NOT AFTER.
-
-
- > Do you tell her that when she
- > gets to heaven she'll have to face that child and tell it why she had it
- > killed?
-
- I'd tell her that she will have had to have repented of that act BEFORE dying,
- or she won't GET to heaven to MEET that child whom she now so terribly misses.
- The child will know, and will be waiting with open arms to forgive her, if
- she wishes to go there to meet him/her.
-
-
- > Do you try to see her side of it? Do you ask her to explain?
-
- Yet BET I do!
-
-
- > These are all valid questions. Teen-agers are rebellious. At some
- > point they tend to just sit down and not budge (metaphorically). Your
- > daughter might not do this (and I'm sure many will claim they'll never
- > have to answer these questions because they'll raise their daughter
- > "right"), but then again she might.
-
- No, she mightn't. My daughter will be well educated in how her body works,
- and exactly where babies come from. She already knows they grow inside
- mommies, since so many of our relatives and friends are having babies, and
- she's helped pack boxes for her new little cousins. She's seen models and
- pictures of unborn babies, and with no prompting from me, she has squeeled
- in delight and kissed them! I have no intention of changing her mind on
- that!
-
-
- > If you can manage it, stay in the
- > hypothetical, but try to personalize it in a 'real world' sense.
-
-
- The real world is what you make it, Gordon.
- The real world is that parents CAN and DO have a HUGE influence on
- their children's view of the world.
-
-
-
- > All others are welcome to answer too.
- >
- >
- > Gordon
-
- Suzanne.
-