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- From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
- Subject: Re: A comment on RvW (personhood)
- Message-ID: <1992Aug12.210848.7626@ncar.ucar.edu>
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- Organization: NCAR, Boulder CO
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- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:08:48 GMT
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- >> = emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
- > = dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
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- >> The concept that I am putting forth is that what we value and protect
- >> (often using the label "personhood") is sentient beings.
- >
- >But then sentient animals would deserve protection from being killed,
- >just like sentient humans.
-
- Yes. (although the constitution may or may not provide such protection)
- Perhaps not because the sentient animal is a "person", but because
- it has one of the main qualities of "personhood" and thus is similar
- to a "person".
-
- My current working definition of "person" is:
- Defn. PERSON (1): anyone or anything that is in essence like a normal,
- born human, ie. anything who is essentially the same as a normal,
- born human.
-
- o A human infant is a person (1) by definition.
- o A late term fetus may very well be a person (1), unless you feel
- independance from the mother is an essential quality of normal, born humans.
- o I'd be willing to consider a zygote to be a person (1) if someone could
- provide a convincing argument that a zygote "is essentially the same as
- a normal, born human"
- o I'd be willing to consider an alien (eg. a character from Star Trek
- - the Next Generation :) to be a person (1) if it seems that they
- "are essentially the same as a normal, born human".
-
- Now, about the morality of killing "people" and playing games with semantics:
-
- * It seems to me that the moral codes that apply to normal, born humans
- would automatically and/or naturally extend to anything that is
- essentially the same as a normal, born human.
- * Or, using my definition of person (1), the moral codes that apply to
- normal, born humans would automatically and/or naturally extend to
- all persons (1).
- * But it's not true that the moral codes that apply to normal, born humans
- automatically and/or naturally extend to anything any fruitcake simply
- defines as a "person".
- * The moral code against killing persons (1) may also apply to non-persons
- (zygotes?) and non-humans, but it may not be immediately clear that this
- extension applies.
- In other words: (personhood) => (in most cases, killing is wrong)
- DOES NOT imply: (not a person) => (in most cases, killing is OK)
-
- Of course, even if we agree that killing a zygote is wrong (regardless of
- it's personhood), we must (should) consider abortion in context, ie. it may
- also wrong to force childbirth on a woman, leading to a choice of evils.
-
- -Brian
-