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- From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
- Subject: Re: The Red Button Scenario
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- Message-ID: <1992Aug12.173631.22556@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:36:31 GMT
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- In <Aug12.052533.54985@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> sa114984@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Steven Arnold) writes:
- > In article <1992Aug7.145900.23337@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
- > kristyp@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kristy Patterson) writes:
- > >
- > > What if I don't agree that having sex = waiving my right to bodily autonomy?
- >
- > Then you are mistaken.
-
- No, Steve, you're mistaken. QED. :-)
-
- > > This is certainly not a commonly accepted belief.
- >
- > Correct. The commonly accepted belief is also mistaken.
-
- More blatant assertion.
-
- > It just seems that no pro-legal-abortionist on this net can
- > grasp the reasoning I'm trying to present here.
-
- Were you trying to present reasoning? It seems more like you were
- trying to present a *really* bad science fiction story.
-
- > The woman caused the pregnancy, in concert with her partner. Aside
- > from those two, NOBODY ELSE caused it. Not the fetus. Not the
- > President. Not the Pope. Only the woman and hjer partner. She is
- > responsible for the effects of her behavior on others, INCLUDING the
- > fetus (if it be granted that the fetus is a person; that is a separate issue).
-
- OK, she's responsible. And if she gets an abortion, she's responsible
- for its death. So?
-
- > > Okay, three questions. The point is, abortion does not involve individuals
- > > separate from the mother.
- >
- > Sorry, it does. It is a medical fact that a new member of the human
- > species begins at conception and continues until death.
-
- Did you miss the word "separate"?
-
- > > It's not as if anyone, woman or man, can go
- > > around killing indiscriminately. In your scenario, the woman decides to
- > > kill people that are NOT HARMING HER or INTERFERING WITH THE COURSE OF
- > > HER LIFE in harmful physical ways.
- >
- > I notice you add "in harmful physical ways." Would you support
- > interfering with the course of a woman's life if it were not in a
- > harmful physical way?
-
- Are you implying that pregnancy and birth are not physically harmful?
-
- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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