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- From: Mark Goodman <mwgoodman@igc.apc.org>
- Newsgroups: sci.space
- Date: 15 Aug 92 07:56 PDT
- Subject: Re: Energya and Freedom and Soyuz ACRV
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- To: sci.space
- From: Mark Goodman (mwgoodman@igc.org)
- Re: Space Station support
- Date: 15 Aug 1992
-
- >>>[Freedom has support in Congress]
-
- >>I am not aware of any huge and lasting support. The House votes have
- >>been about 230-180, far from 2-1,
-
- >The past two votes where far closer to 2-1. Either way, this is still a
- >sizable majority made even larger when you realize what went into it. The
- >Congress rarely changes an appropriation like this after it is reported out
- >of committee. In addition, a very powerful member did huge amounts of
- >lobbying to make it happen and still failed.
-
- This year's vote was 237-181, and Space Station funding was included in
- the committee report, unlike last year.
-
- >To those who say social spending will beat NASA every time, look at these
- >votes. Freedom was carved up and $$ given to every constituency in the
- >house. It still failed.
-
- >At the level we are talking about allocations tend to be based on clout
- >first and need second. NASA has enough clout to get about $15 billion
- >every year and it will get it regardless of how it is spent.
-
- >If Mr. Coffman's model was correct, Freedom would have been dead a long
- >time ago.
-
- >>and then only because the aerospace
- >>industry has already received such a big hit from DoD cuts.
-
- >So?
-
- If the aerospace companies hadn't been hurting, Congress would have
- been more willing to cut the Space Station.
-
- The biggest reason Congress hasn't killed the space station is that it
- doesn't want to go back on its commitment, both in money and to foreign
- partners. Congress was sold a bill of goods -- an $8 billion cost
- estimate for a much more ambitious station -- and is now stuck with it.
-
- >>There is
- >>tremendous opposition to the space station, which is based on the
- >>essential question: what good is it?
-
- >That is a technical question, not a political one. It's not nearly as
- >relevant as you think.
-
- I still haven't seen a good answer. Of course it's relevant. That's
- the main reason people oppose it (that and having better ideas about
- how to spend the money).
-
- >>>Since these will open the space frontier and produce far more tax income,
- >>>it seems a good idea.
-
- >>Allen, if you are refering to the Space Station, a Moon Base, or planetary
- >>exploration, my reaction is: Come on, give me a break. If you are
- >>refering to investments in near-term space technology (improved ELVs,
- >>perhaps SSTO, improved automation and remote control, lightsats, etc.)
- >>and R&D on more distant prospects (NASP, etc.), I agree. Which is it?
-
- >I am refering to the growth which would occure with the development of
- >a spacefaring civilization.
-
- In whose lifetime? Seriously, this is such a remote (in time if not in
- probability) that it has at best minimal relevance to current policy
- debates. I'm not convinced that it will ever happen. If you want to
- argue about economic returns from investment in technology, you need to
- look at the near-term practical uses of space, and those do not include
- people.
-
- For years to come, space exploration must be considered as an activity
- for its own sake, not justified by supposed practical benefits. I have
- nothing against that, as long as we're honest. But then NASA belongs in
- the same category as basic research "for its own sake". It then becomes
- very difficult to justify spending more money on the Space Station than
- on the entire National Science Foundation.
-
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- | Mark W. Goodman | What a terrible thing it is |
- | mwgoodman@igc.org -- econet | to lose your mind. |
- | goodman@ksgbbs.harvard.edu | |
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