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- From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
- Subject: Re: Mensa (was Re: Kinesiology - how I heard about it)
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- Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:53:20 GMT
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- dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
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- [lots of stuff deleted]
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- >>The IQ isn't meaning less, but MENSA is. That is, the IQ has some merit
- >>for some abilities, but MENSA exists only for self-flattery and egotism.
- >>
- >>keith
- >>
- >Oh, this is interesting. So support groups for those who test well below
- >average on the IQ scale - homes for the retarded, say - exist for what
- >reason? After all, they are just as different as Mensans vis a vis the
- >IQ test, only in the other direction.
-
- So, are you saying that Mensa is a support group? Besides, these groups
- encouarge mainstreaming. Does Mesna do such?
-
- >I suspect that you have never had to deal with any of the psychological
- >effects associated with growing up different. After all, if you test out
- >average, you are surrounded by others who are likely very near you in ability
- >who can understand you and have no reason to think you are "different".
-
- Your suspicions are incorrect. I grew up in a small, rural town. I was
- "different." This, however, did not motivate me to join a group consiting
- of people who enjoy flauting their gifts.
-
- >Some of us had very different experiences, whether or not we were tested.
- >Sometimes, a group like Mensa can help people adjust to the "real world".
- >Sometimes an IQ test, which was used to single someone out as different,
- >can provide them access to others who have had the same experiences.
-
- I don't think that people should see the results of their IQ test.
- What would be the purpose? Besides. if you analyze the motivations
- of the people joining the group, I think that you will see self-flattery
- and not usually a desire for emotional support.
-
- >I find your comments very sad and narrow-minded. I have however seen it
- >many times while growing up, usually just before someone took a swing at
- >me for being different.
-
- >It is good to know that those who have problems adjusting to life because
- >they are highly intelligent should have no place to get together to talk
- >things over. Thank you for that insight.
-
- Again, is Mensa a support group? Does every "intelligent" person have
- "problems adjusting to life?" You are again making incorrect assumptions
- as to the nature of the Mensa group.
-
- > David Pipes
- >who does not belong to Mensa
-
- If you think it is so great, then why not join?
-
- keith
-
-