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- From: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Young earth creationist logic NOT!
- Message-ID: <1992Aug20.171831.346@acuson.com>
- Date: 20 Aug 92 17:18:31 GMT
- References: <63ga03Lg59Ze00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <1992Aug19.124008.16945@pixel.kodak.com>
- Reply-To: lawson@aldia.UUCP (Drew Lawson)
- Organization: ACUSON, Mountain View, CA
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- In article <1992Aug19.124008.16945@pixel.kodak.com> jeh@raster.kodak.com (Ed Hanway) writes:
- >jloucks@uts.amdahl.com (Jim Loucks) writes:
- >: ...it is my belief that life on earth is fairly young, the earth may or
- >: may not be old. It is also my belief that God could have easily created
- >: with the appearance of age, though most definitely not to deceive. If
- >: God created a 100 foot tree, would it not have the appearance of age?
- >
- >Stupid question: if God created everything with the appearance of age,
- >i.e. exactly as things would look if currently understood processes had been
- >operating in the past, how is that any different, as far as science is
- >concerned, from the case where everything really _is_ old?
-
- I'm pleased to see that someone is thinking clearly.
-
- As far as _science_ goes, there is no difference. This whole thread
- really centers around a metaphysical issue: Are your
- senses/experiences a source or truth. Science holds that they are and
- (from the sounds of this thread) that they are the _only_ source of
- truth. Religion holds that they are not the only source and may not
- (depending on specific doctrine) be accurate.
-
-
- There is another point I've been meaning to bring up on this thread.
- The anti-faith side of this debate questions why the evidence points to
- long times, evolution, etc. Perhaps the "evidence" is not pointing.
- As an example, let me bring up the old "canals" on Mars topic. They
- were clear evidence that there was an advanced civilization on Mars.
- More recent views is that they just happen to be there and aren't
- evidence of anything. They just appeared to be canals.
-
- Ask all the questions you want, but don't be so arrogant to think that
- God must run the universe on your terms.
-
- Perhaps I have an easier time with this because I am a programmer. I
- can think of variables and structures as real while I know that they
- are just convenient concepts. I look at evolution the same way.
-
- --
- Drew Lawson If you're not part of the solution,
- lawson@acuson.com you're part of the precipitate
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