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- From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
- Subject: Re: New Nuclear Physics? (was Re: Press Release)
- Message-ID: <10299@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
- Date: 12 Aug 92 14:05:58 GMT
- References: <1992Aug11.153441.7520@s1.gov> <4730001@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>
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- Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
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- In article <4730001@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> seghers@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Seghers) writes:
- >>/ hpcc01:sci.physics.fusion / terry@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Terry Bollinger) / 8:48 am Aug 11, 1992 /
- >>
- >>My my. So all those nuclear physicists and chemists who have set up and
- >>calculated results based on independent-nucleon nuclear shell models for
- >>the last several decades are just flat-out *wrong*, hmm? How interesting.
- >>
- > This has been obvious, even to a lay person such as myself, for years!
-
- Then you had better check out the work of Wiringa and company at Argonne.
-
- Their work is an attempt to calculate the masses of light nuclei with no
- model assumptions other than a non-relativistic potential between nucleons
- taken from fits to the NN data and the intrinsic limitations of their
- calculational scheme. They do a very good job of getting mass-3 and mass-4
- and appear to get O-16 in their latest results.
-
- The weakness of cluster models is that they must take something like the
- mass of He-4 as a given and construct an effective interaction between
- the He-4 and the other particles. This is not wrong, but it is better
- when the microscopic approach shows that those (sometimes arbitrary)
- choices can be justified based on a more basic starting point. The risk
- of such approximations is that they are uncontrolled: you must trust your
- intuition that you are not leaving out anything important, and hope that
- a more complete calculation will not prove you wrong.
-
- I should add that the results of microscopic calculations tend to verify
- the assumptions made by cluster models (or collective models, etc) in
- the domain where they have been applied. Thus the simpler model is just
- that -- simpler and more convenient to use, although limited to application
- in some particular domain -- and not more correct than the microscopic
- approach. Certainly nothing new about any of this.
-
- --
- J. A. Carr | "The New Frontier of which I
- jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu | speak is not a set of promises
- Florida State University B-186 | -- it is a set of challenges."
- Supercomputer Computations Research Institute | John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
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