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- From: flower@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graham Flower)
- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:50:34 GMT
- Subject: Re: Order-of-Magnitude problems
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- References: <1992Aug15.105735.19350@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- : Use the uncertainty principle to compute how long an ordinary
- : lead pencil can be balanced upside down on its point.
- : [QM: Das/Melissinos p. 53]
- : Any ideas?
- :
- As far as i am aware this problem originated with the book by Dicke and Wittke
- it has been repeated several times. The key is to use the right form of the
- uncertainty principle. You need the angle uncertainty form and start with
- this by considering the minimum angle from the vertical. A torque then can
- be calculated and using the moment of inertia, gravitational acceleration
- and estimated mass of the pencil you can figure how long it'll take to fall.
- the time is quite long as I recall > 1 year, in theory anyway.
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- This problem is in Ter Der Haars book of solved problems 2nd edition. chapter
- 3 It is not in his 3rd edition. Look it up.
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- >Well, if I remember correctly, my father, a physicist at Kent State, gave
- >a problem similar to this on one of his senior level finals. His problem
- >involved bouncing a ping-pong ball on top of another, larger ball. Given
- >completely elastic collisions, and the radii of the two balls, estimate how
- >many times the ping pong ball can bounce on top of the other ball before it
- >falls off, using the uncertainty principle. The solution of the problem
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- This problem is also somewhat famous, it appears in Leonard Schiff's quantum
- mechanics book chapter 1.
-
- Graham Flower
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