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- From: jbaez@zermelo.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
- Subject: Re: ORTHODOX SPECIAL RELATIVITY
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- In article <Aug.13.18.10.50.1992.26657@ruhets.rutgers.edu> bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes:
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- >Extra question: suppose physics was dilation invariant. What
- >conserved quantity would be associated with this symmetry
- >(in the Noether's theorem manner, i.e. translation invariance
- ><=> momentum conservation). This is not a trick question, I don't
- >know the answer. I would guess, though, that lengths would become
- >dimensionless, for whatever that's worth.
-
- It *is* a trick question even though you didn't mean it as one. There
- is no such conserved quantity. Proof #1: if there was, it would be
- applicable to photons and Yang-Mills fields, so you would have heard of
- it. Proof #2: dilation doesn't commute with time translation so the
- quantity associated to dilation is not preserved under time translation,
- i.e. not conserved. Note that translations and rotations commute with
- time translation and have conserved quantitites but Lorentz boosts
- don't.
-
- There is, however, a quantity that has interesting commutation relations
- with the generators of the Poincare group. I don't think it has a name.
-
- I'm going to post something more on dilation symmetry in a while.
-