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- From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Vector Bosons?
- Date: 13 Aug 92 20:10:28 GMT
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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- In article <1992Aug13.172944.8730@asl.dl.nec.com>, terry@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Terry Bollinger) writes...
- >
- >BOSONS
- >
- >For whatever it's worth, a boson is simply a particle with integral spin
- >(spin = {..,-2,-1,0,1,2,..} ), and fermions are particles whose spins
- >contain half-unit (spin = { -1 1/2, -1/2, +1/2, +1 1/2 } ). The idea of
-
- There is no such thing as negative spin. A particle with total positive
- spin S can have a negative component along any given axis, however, which
- probably lead you to this confusion.
-
- >In all observed cases, bosons states are "commutative" -- meaning more-or-
- >less that when all the math has been said and done, bosons really like to
- >be in the same spot at the same time, doing the same thing. Moreover, the
- >bigger the party is (that is, the larger the number of bosons "doing the
- >same thing" becomes -- see Feynman III for details), the more attractive
- >that "state" becomes to other bosons of that type. Bosons thus are a most
- >gregarious bunch, true party animals -- except that their parties tend
- >towards the dull side, what with *everyone* doing exactly the same thing.
-
- How about, "what with *everyone* doing more or less the same thing."?
- Except at zero temperature, the particles in a bose condensate are *not*
- all in the same energy level.
-
- >In quantum field theory, the gregarious (commutative) behavior of bosons
- >leads to another interesting effect. It implies that "virtual" bosons
- >become the mediators of the various forces that hold things together --
- >e.g., virtual photons mediate the electromagnetic force, virtual W
- >particles help mediate the weak force, and gluons mediate the strong
- >force between quarks.
-
- There is nothing about the statistical properties of bosons which
- implies that they should be the mediators of the various forces. There
- is no cause and effect here. There are fundamental bosons, such as the
- Higgs or axion, which may exist but are not intermediate bosons.
-
- >Having fermions around is a major factor in why you, the reader, are not
- >currently part of a little grape-sized black hole orbiting where the earth
- >used to be. Fermions in general and atomic electrons (spin 1/2 fermions)
- >in particular will strongly resist any compression beyond a certain point,
- >making the volume-occupying properties of ordinary matter possible.
-
- It is the electric charge of the electron, not its spin, which is primarily
- responsible for the volume of matter. If the electron were a boson, then
- all atoms would have the radius of a hydrogen atom. That certainly would
- shrink things a bit, but not enough to collapse the Earth into a grape-sized
- black hole. Only if the electric charge of the electron were turned off,
- as it effectively is inside a neutron star, where electrons and protons have
- combined to produce electrically neutral neutrons, do things get really
- dense.
-
- >
- > Cheers & hows that for overkill,
- > Terry Bollinger
-
- Well done, except for the few nits picked above.
-
- -Scott
- --------------------
- Scott I. Chase "The question seems to be of such a character
- SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV that if I should come to life after my death
- and some mathematician were to tell me that it
- had been definitely settled, I think I would
- immediately drop dead again." - Vandiver
-