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- From: regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George)
- Subject: Re: Fwd: Standard Deviation.
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- Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:13:53 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug15.000049.29790@leland.Stanford.EDU> dhinds@leland.Stanford.
- EDU (David Hinds) writes:
- >In article <1992Aug14.231916.23479@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> regeorge@magnus.
- acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George) writes:
- >>
- >>More intuitively, if we take a very sample, we are less likely to get
- >>extreme values and so our notion of what the population variance is (note
- >>that I am not proposing some particular estimator) will be unrealistic.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>For instance, I give an exam to two students. Their scores are 67 and
- >>71. I think, "Gee, there's not a lot of variability in these scores."
- >>But then 8 more students take the exam:
- >> 60 78 100 38 50 88 99 39
- >>
- >>and it now is clear there *is* more variability in these scores.
- >>
- >>But let me reiterate that T will *always* have a negative bias for the
- >>population variance whatever the sample size is
- >
- >This is wrong. If this set of 8 values is the "population", sure, for
- >your particular sample, the predicted variance happens to be less than
- >the population variance. However, the mean variance of all samples
- >from this population will equal the population variance (i.e., the
- >sample variance is an unbiased estimator). Note that most samples of
- >size 2 from this population will have much larger variances than the
- >one you picked, and many will have variances larger than the parent
- >population (i.e., you are just as likely to get [100 38] as [67 71]).
- [deletions]
- The 8 values are not necessarily the whole population (which may
- well be finite).
- For any given range of values, the probability that a RS of size
- 8 will be contained in that range is no greater than the probability
- that a RS of size 2 will be contained in that range.
-
- My intent (as I made clear) wasn't that we think of a particular
- estimator, just that we
- look at the data and try to see how variable it is.
-
- Robert George
- (speaking only for myself)
-