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- From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
- Subject: Re: A Non-Cantorian Set Theory question
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- References: <1992Aug12.113415.1648@gacvx2.gac.edu>
- Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:31:37 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug12.113415.1648@gacvx2.gac.edu> kiran@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
- >Quite a while ago, I read Martin Gardner write in one of his _Mathematical
- >Games_ column in _Scientific American_ that on a plane, a letter like _O_ can
- >be written--allowing smaller O's to be written inside larger O's-- _c_
- >times where _c_ is the cardinality of the continuum. On the other hand, he
- >pointed out, letters like _T_ can only be written aleph-nought times.
- >
- >A question that has remained in my mind for a long time since is the following:
- >
- >Since we know that non-Cantorian set theories are possible, is there a
- >one-dimensional shape which can be written some aleph times where that aleph is
- >between aleph-nought and _c_? If so, what would the shape be?
-
- Since the continuum hypothesis is undecideable in ZFC it will be
- impossible to construct such a shape in ZFC. Thus I don't think you
- will ever get a very clear picture of what such a shape would look like
- even if one "exists". ("Exists" is in quotes here since it really means
- "can be proved to exist in ZF together with some axioms that contradict
- the continuum hypothesis".) Nonetheless it's an interesting question.
-