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- From: jep@miles.com (Joseph Perry)
- Subject: Re: EIA-232 cable length restrictions
- Message-ID: <1992Aug19.164250.1885@miles.com>
- Followup-To: sci.electronics
- Organization: Miles Inc., Diagnostics Division, Elkhart, IN
- References: <1992Aug17.192021.4354@miles.com> <1992Aug18.071452.7706@aero.org>
- Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:42:50 GMT
- Lines: 57
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- In article <1992Aug18.071452.7706@aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
- >In article <1992Aug17.192021.4354@miles.com> jep@miles.com (Joseph Perry) writes:
- >>I'm trying to determine the maximum cable length for EIA-232 connections.
- >>EIA-232 specifies that the effective shunt capacitance of the receiver
- >>side of the interchange circuit be no more that 2500 picofarads.
- >>
- >.....Stuff deleted......
- >
- >>Have I missed something in my measurements and analysis or is the EIA-232
- >>standard overly conservative in limiting cable length?
- >
- >It is VERY conservative. We run terminals at 9.6k and printers at
- >19.2 using twisted pair, unshielded, running in bundles with dozens of
- >other similar circuits, all over the building. Runs of three hundred feet
- >are typical. No hay problema (there's no problem).
-
- I wasn't clear enough about what I really wanted to know. I know that
- many EIA-232 drivers can drive more than the 2500 pF load as required by
- the standard and that a load capacitance of more than 2500 pF can be
- tolerated especially at baud rates below 20,000 bps.
-
- My real concern is how to estimate the capacitance of a shielded cable as
- seen by a driver. The appendix in the EIA-232 and EIA-562 standards
- describes Cm as the mutual capacitance between conductors and Cs as the
- capacitance from a conductor to the cable shield. Cm is often specified
- for the cable. Cs should also be specified, but if not, a good rule of
- thumb is Cs = 2 * Cm.
-
- The way I read the appendix in the standards, the total cable capacitance,
- Ct, as seen by a driver in a shielded cable is:
- Ct = Cm + Cs
- = Cm + 2 * Cm
- = 3 * Cm
-
- This makes sense to me only if the load was truly made of capacitors. If
- you consider the construction of a shielded cable, the shield surrounds
- the inner conductors so Cs should be higher than Cm. Cs being about
- 2 * Cm makes sense to me and is verified by cable specifications and my
- measurements.
-
- If the signal common conductor is tied to the cable shield through a low
- impedance path as is often done, what is the the total cable capacitance
- as seen by the driver? From the measurements I took with a short length
- of shielded cable with and without the signal common tied to the cable
- shield, Ct was not 3 * Cm when the shield was tied to signal common, but
- was only slightly more than Cs (about 2 * Cm).
-
- Does anyone understand the analysis of cable capacitance given in the
- appendix of the EIA-232 and EIA-562 standards? If you know the
- characteristics of shielded cable, what cable capacitance does the driver
- see, about 3 * Cm or about 2 * Cm as I suspect?
-
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