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- From: u9dmlb@ohm.york.ac.uk (Duncan McL Barclay)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics
- Subject: Electrolytic Capacitors
- Message-ID: <1992Aug18.200816.20822@ohm.york.ac.uk>
- Date: 18 Aug 92 20:08:16 GMT
- Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK
- Lines: 58
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- I need a little help please.
-
- I an trying to work out what the parasitics in electrolytics
- capacitors do in terms of degrading the filtering of a standard
- bridge rectifier-capacitor filtering unit.
-
- In the catalogues two or three figures of merit are quoted:
-
- The ESR, equivalent series resistance,
- The loss tangent
- The impedance at ususally 10KHz.
-
- Having looked up some application notes I discovered the following:
- (all taken from Phillips/Mullard notes)
-
- Model of an electrolytic is:
- _____
- -/\/\/\/\------| |----| |---
- | _____ | -----
- --| |--
- -----
-
- A series inductor,L, a series capacitor C, a series resitor Rs, and
- a leakage resisior Rp.
-
- The capacitance is measured at 100Hz along with the ESR (ie Rs).
- The loss tangent is also measured at 100Hz and is defined by
- tan (delta) = 2*pi*100*C*Rs
- The impedance mentioned above is given by
- Z^2 = Rs^2 + (2*pi*f*L - 1/(2*pi*f*C))^2
- where f = 10,000Hz.
-
- The problem is that the quoted values of Rs (ESR)
- and impedance Z do not fit the model (we have ignored the leakage resisitor
- as this is a few meg at least). In essence I cannot calculate the value
- of L from the data given.
-
- for example a standard 10,000uF 40V capacitor from a big UK supplier has an
- ESR of 18mohms and Z of 13mohms. Just thinking about this and the equation
- for Z there is a problem because how can Z be less than Rs ie 18milliohms?
-
- Am I missing something, am I better off getting a few capacitors and
- measuring the resonance to get L?
-
- At the end (apart from building the final item) I want to model the
- psu in SPICE so I can actually find the "best" solution to getting good
- filtering as well as smoothing.
-
- If anyone has another helpful hints like inductive filtering these would
- be welcome.
-
- Thanks in advance
-
- Raggy
-
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