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- From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
- Newsgroups: sci.econ,alt.individualism
- Subject: Re: Libertarians live in Virtual Reality
- Message-ID: <1992Aug21.123930.3680@desire.wright.edu>
- Date: 21 Aug 92 17:39:30 GMT
- References: <1992Aug18.142212.3575@desire.wright.edu> <1992Aug20.162629.9678@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
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- In article <1992Aug20.162629.9678@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
- > From article <1992Aug18.142212.3575@desire.wright.edu>, by demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man):
- >> In article <1992Aug17.172013.10835@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
- >> ...
- >>> Be assured that the present government safeguards against those
- >>> fraudulent and effectively criminal practices are woefully
- >>> inadequate. If you want to prevent them, some agencies of the
- >>> government will have to be made much larger, and will have be be much
- >>> more intrusive into private business, than they are today.
- >>
- >> Bzzzt. Exactly the wrong approach. Government has failed, so the
- >> solution is to make government bigger?
- >>
- >> The "solution" is to let the victim recoup losses (through litigation
- >> if need be). Right now corporations are hiding behind government regulations.
- >
- > That's no solution. When an individual tries to sue a large
- > corporation, the corporation throws its entire legal staff at the
- > victim. There is no way an individual can keep up with the
- > expenditures that the corporation can afford.
-
- The huge rise in personal injury/product liability lawsuits says
- otherwise.
-
- > And the corporation
- > will spend far more than the case is worth in order to make the point
- > that individual action won't work, so they can avoid future cases.
-
- Unlimited liability and deep pockets combined with the lawyer seeing $
- signs has proven that individual action works far better than it should.
-
- > Think of a bottle of suntan lotion that might be ineffective and
- > falsely advertised. That's not worth a lawsuit to the individual, but
- > it is worth a lot of money to the company that makes the stuff. In a
- > case like that, I think the FDA approach is efficient.
-
- Cancer is not worth the attention of the individual? For every
- instance in which the FDA might take a decade or two to get around to it, there
- are enough individuals affected to make a case.
- In addition, FDA stonewalling is keeping drugs like RU-486 off the
- market because of political interference.
- And as long as there is the myth of government protection (FDA, OSHA,
- AMA,...) people will cede authority/responsibility to the government.
-
- >> The problem is that you fail to see that the problem is government. Not
- >> that government isn't big enough.
- >
- > You haven't proved that the problem is government. Remember, the
- > Republicans have been systematically reducing the size of those parts
- > of government that are chartered to prevent fraud. That's a good way
- > to make them ineffective. In effect, you're saying that if they can't
- > work when underfunded and otherwise hampered, they must be based on a
- > fundamentally flawed concept. I don't buy that.
-
- The Republicans did not effectively reduce any parts of government
- (thought they wanted to).
- Trying to eleminate the bureaucracy is akin to approaching someone for
- help in amputating their own leg.
-
- Proof that the problem isn't government?
-
- FDA
- OSHA
- EPA
- AMA
- Schools
-
- If you want specific examples:
-
- RU-486. Aspertame. Chicken processing plants. Superfund. Quota
- laws. Certification for teaching. License/permit procedures. Etc.
-
- Every time the government intervenes in public affairs it creates a
- huge bureaucracy that does more harm than good.
-
- In the meantime, private organizations stay dedicated to their cause,
- and not their continued feeding at the public trough.
-
- I'll take UL, Good Housekeeping, Consumers Union, etc. over the
- FDA/EPA/alphabet soup any day.
-
- Brett
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