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- Subject: Re: Libertarians live in Virtual Reality
- Message-ID: <1992Aug18.142212.3575@desire.wright.edu>
- From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
- Date: 18 Aug 92 14:22:12 EST
- References: <1992Aug16.204251.29075@henson.cc.wwu.edu> <1992Aug17.172013.10835@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
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- In article <1992Aug17.172013.10835@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
- > From article <1992Aug16.204251.29075@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, by n8640664@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Richard Nixon):
- >> ...... If you remember correctly, the libertarian view is that
- >> the only legitimate purpose of government is to control/punish the very
- >> fraud you speak of above, along with the control of violence/property
- >> crimes, etc.
- >
- > Well, does that include implicit misrepresentation of consumer
- > products, dispersal of pollutants into the commons without
- > compensation to the public, takebacks of retirement benefits under
- > cover of fine print, etc.?
-
- If it is determined to be fraud, yes.
-
- > Be assured that the present government safeguards against those
- > fraudulent and effectively criminal practices are woefully
- > inadequate. If you want to prevent them, some agencies of the
- > government will have to be made much larger, and will have be be much
- > more intrusive into private business, than they are today.
-
- Bzzzt. Exactly the wrong approach. Government has failed, so the
- solution is to make government bigger?
-
- The "solution" is to let the victim recoup losses (through litigation
- if need be). Right now corporations are hiding behind government regulations.
-
- > What I am saying is that all this Libertarian fluff about minimizing
- > government is totally incompatible with the basically liberal aim of
- > preventing fraud against the public,
-
- No, it's against the liberal solution of making the government even
- bigger.
-
- >and you Libertarians are going to
- > have to decide to tell us which you really mean.
-
- The problem is that you fail to see that the problem is government. Not
- that government isn't big enough.
-
- >> It is possible, Mr. Tolman, that the source of your mistatements is
- >> your own imagination, and that rather than a intentional lying problem,
- >> you merely have an unitentional 'imagination' problem, one of filling
- >> in the gaps in what you know with fantasy images and scenerios.
- >
- > Well, then, let's have the gaps filled in by a Libertarian, so we
- > don't have to use our imaginations. We have seen what Republicans
- > mean by reducing government and getting government off people's
- > backs. It means letting business have free rein to rip off the
- > public. It's hard to imagine that Libertarians mean anything
- > different by the same slogans, but I'm willing to listen.
-
- We shall see.
-
- Brett
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