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- From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
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- Subject: Re: RSA-129 contest
- Message-ID: <1992Aug22.113206.4385@linus.mitre.org>
- Date: 22 Aug 92 11:32:06 GMT
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- In article <8146.Aug2205.17.2492@virtualnews.nyu.edu> brnstnd@nyu.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes:
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- >If you feel that way, don't participate. Other people have submitted
- >good polynomials and I'm sure the current record won't last long. Nobody
- >knows an ``accurate figure of merit'' for GNFS polynomials: nobody has
- >ever exhibited an accurate method of estimating how much time GNFS will
- >use with various parameters, though GNFS detractors always seem to
- >pretend otherwise.
-
- Too bad you were not at the public-key crypto conference in Oberwolfach
- last year. I presented the results of quite a few benchmarks for the
- sieving phase of GNFS on general numbers ranging from 30 to 90 digits.
- I would characterize this as an accurate way of estimating how much
- time GNFS will take, wouldn't you? I also have at least an order of
- magnitude more data than anyone else on the performance of the quadratic
- sieve. From this data it is not difficult to project a crossover point
- of around 135 digits. The data I have also shows how much speedup is
- obtained by reducing the size of the coefficients. My data says that
- you will need to find 14 digit coefficients for GNFS to compete with
- PPMPQS in doing RSA-129.
-
- But Dan says he does not believe this 'pessimistic estimate'.
-
- I am not 'pretending' anything, despite Dan's insults. I have real
- data. Dan's labelling of detractors as 'pretending' is both insulting
- and unprofessional.
-
- Of course he can't back up this belief, because he doesn't have
- enough data on the performance of both methods. Of course he is
- now obtaining data on the sieving part of GNFS now that he has
- it coded. But he still lacks data on QS. Lenstra and Manasse have
- done a few dozen numbers with QS. I've done in excess of 500.
-
- I am also curious as to whether his comparison with QS also considers
- the time to do the final square root along with the sieve time? He
- reported that for 2,488+, the final square root took about 15% of the
- total sieve time. [1 day vs. 6 days]
- --
- Bob Silverman
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