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- Subject: RSA-129 contest
- Message-ID: <9208220157.AA02629@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
- Date: 22 Aug 92 01:13:04 GMT
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- Dan Berstein posts:
- :To factor RSA-129 with GNFS would take many hundreds or thousands of
- :MIPS-years with a random polynomial. In the two weeks since the contest
- :was announced, quite a few people have submitted polynomials, and the
- :best so far---yours---is roughly 1000 times better than random.
- :being equal. (Most polynomials are somewhere in the middle.)
- Actually it is about 100 times better than random using
- your stated figure of merit. More to the point it is only about 10
- times better than simply trying a few million values of m.
- Dan Berstein also posts:
- :Keep in mind that f(m) doesn't have to equal n---it be any positive
- :multiple. So there are a huge number of polynomials to search through.
- Since the density of good representations for k*n goes as
- k**(-9/4) considering multiples of n is unlikely to give a significant
- improvement.
- Dan Berstein also posts:
- :In any case, the polynomial-searching contest has produced spectacular
- :results so far. Keep those submissions coming in! I'm sorry I don't yet
- :have precise estimates of exactly how much RSA-129 GNFS time is saved by
- :any particular polynomial, but I can assure you that a few weeks of
- :polynomial searching will be time very, very well spent.
- I must disagree, extensive searches without an accurate figure
- of merit are basically a waste of time. I have little enthusiasm for
- burning weeks of computer time searching for good fifth degree poly-
- nomials only to learn that a more complete figure of merit shows that
- I should have been searching for sixth degree polynomials.
- Dan Berstein also posts:
- :Keep in mind that---even if Bob's pessimistic estimate of 14 digits is
- :close to reality, which I very much doubt---f(m) can be any multiple of
- :n, and two-variable polynomials f(m_1,m_2) also work for GNFS. If we
- :were to allow 10^5 multiples of n, 10^24 choices of m_1, 10^24 choices
- :of m_2, and 10^14 choices of each c_i, then there would be roughly 10^9
- :sufficiently small polynomials for RSA-129. So from a theoretical point
- :of view there's no problem.
- As I point out above, considering all multiples of n increases
- the density of representations (of the form f(m), f degree 5) by, sum
- over k of k**(-9/4), which is less than 2 (not 10**5). I can't comment
- on searching for two-variable polynomials without knowing the figure
- of merit.
- James B. Shearer
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