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- From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
- Subject: Re: Standard model of QSOsex
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- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:29:10 GMT
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- wayne@csri.toronto.edu (Wayne Hayes) writes:
-
- > Hmmm, it's not clear to me that two stars of different (but "high") masses
- > are going to even orbit elliptically. I have no idea how Tom claims the
- > gravitational masses change with "amount of matter" (== inertial mass, I
- > hope!), but I just tried a simple formula: gravitational mass = inertial
- > mass ^ 0.9, and modified my old NBody simulator, and the orbits of two
- > masses was NOT elliptical, not by a long shot. It's not even clear if the
- > orbits would be closed. (I didn't run it long enough, but it was a weird
- > enough orbit that I'm pretty sure they'd either spiral in or get tossed
- > away... unless of course there's an equilibrium reached somewhere.) A lot
- > more detail formulae and analysis would be necessary. So I don't think
- > ANYTHING can be said about binary star orbits and masses until we know alot
- > more about Tom's mass claims.
-
- Hmmm, something isn't communicating here. The dynamics of a star's
- motion are independent of its own mass, gravitational or inertial. So the
- orbits shouldn't have changed at all. But even if you forced the inertial
- mass to affect the dynamics, the result should be just like scaling or
- changing the gravitational constant. Only circular, elliptical, parabolic,
- and hyperbolic orbits can still occur in a two-body problem.
-
- But you are right that the details of the effect are very important. It
- depends upon the mean free path of C-gravitons through an active
- gravitational mass. For example, the Earth might block a small portion of
- the Sun's gravity effect every night. The easiest place to detect such an
- effect might be in the Lageos satellites, which do show anomalous motions for
- which no fully satisfactory explanation yet exists. -|Tom|-
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- Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
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