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- From: fischer@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Phil Fischer)
- Subject: Re: A super-blue branch of super-massive stars?
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- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:30:37 GMT
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- In article <BsunDq.JKM@well.sf.ca.us> metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes:
- >
- >Earlier, I wrote:
- >
- >>> So what I think is going on is that we have two distinct branches of giant
- >>> stars, red and blue. These each have their natural extensions into the
- >>> supermassive star domain. The natural extension of the blue giant branch
- >>> is into the ultraviolet, which would be not so easily observable through
- >>> our atmosphere.
- >
- >and richmond@flipper (Stupendous Man) replied:
- >
- >> Tom, if your supermassive stars do radiate as blackbodies, or in a similar
- >> fashion, then yes, really really hot stars (T > 100,000 K) will radiate
- >> most of the energy in the UV, where we poor ground-based astronomers can't
- >> see it. HOWEVER, it is a property of blackbodies that, given two of the
- >> same size but different temperature, the hotter will radiate more than the
- >> cooler AT ALL WAVELENGTHS. Therefore, such a supermassive blue star would
- >> be brighter than a "normally" massive blue star in the visible, as well as
- >> in the UV. ... Although you CAN make most of the energy of a star
- >> "disappear" into the UV by making it very hot, you CAN'T make the star
- >> appear on bit less bright than a less-massive star.
-
- >
- > I agree with all you say above, but don't see how it alters the argument
- >I was making. Perhaps the fault was that my argument was not clear.
- >
- > If far away galaxies are redshifted so that we see more of what is
- >normally ultraviolet light, they will look relatively blue to us. As such a
- >galaxy gets closer, part of its blue radiation disappears into the UV, while
- >all of its red branch stars remain fully visible. The net result is that the
- >galaxy looks yellower when nearby than when it was distant.
- >
- > As far as I can see, that argument remains unchallenged by the valid
- >points you raise. -|Tom|-
- >
-
- Actually, Tom, your point was that we would not be able to see supermassive
- stars even if they were close by because they emit in the UV which would be
- difficult to see through the atmosphere (just reread the bit I included from
- your original post). For some reason you are now choosing to talk about
- galaxies. In any case, now that this point has been refuted, how do you
- explain that we don't see supermassive stars nearby (i.e. in the galaxy, in
- the LMC). That is, in an unredshifted sense.
-
- Phil
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