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- From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
- Subject: Re: Scouting Magazine Article
- Message-ID: <1992Aug20.174718.8079@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
- Sender: news@m.cs.uiuc.edu (News Database (admin-Mike Schwager))
- Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
- References: <2233@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com> <1992Aug20.170036.22387@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:47:18 GMT
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- arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
-
- >>"Scouting" Magazine on 8/18.
- >>In effect it states that BSA has particular policies, has had them
- >>for over 80 years, and that these policies will not change.
-
- >Interesting. Did the Boy Scouts let in blacks 80 years ago? If not, then
- >Boy Scouts policies of excluding particular people _have_ changed.
- [...]
-
- [Gee, I hope I don't get my third Stan-o-gram, for discussing
- something that appeared in _Scouting_.]
-
- I don't know that blacks were excluded from the BSA, but they were
- excluded from some troops and prohibited in some places from wearing
- the uniform.
-
- I'm enclosing two old rec.scouting articles on this topic.
-
- - Carl
-
- Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.atheism,soc.motss
- From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Brown)
- Subject: Re: Wells Fargo, Bank of America drop Boy Scouts
- Message-ID: <1992Jun2.153112.28167@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
- Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 15:31:12 GMT
-
- In article <l2l4ilINN929@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> etheridg@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Jennifer Etheridge) writes:
- >Just out of curiousity...does anyone know if BSA ever
- >excluded blacks?
- >
- >Jennifer Finger
-
- NO. However, in the south the BSA did have a problem with racism. Depending
- on the area they might have:
-
- Double Councils in the same area- one for blacks, one for whites
- Separate camps
- Bar blacks from wearing uniforms.
- Separate OA Lodges
-
- This varied from area to area. I know that the North Florida Council, based
- in Jacksonville, had two camps. Echockotee for whites, Coachootchee for
- blacks. There was a council-wide OA Chapter (Coachootchee) just for blacks
- and they had their own chapter flap to wear instead of the regualar lodge
- flap. [for those who are unaware, OA chapters DO NOT have chapter flaps].
-
- BSA had to do this so they could have blacks as scouts
-
- --
- << >>
- << Michael R. Brown CS Graduate Student-Florida Atlantic Univ >>
- << Internet: michaelb@sol.cse.fau.edu >>
- << >>
-
-
- Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.atheism,soc.motss
- From: sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene)
- Subject: Re: Wells Fargo, Bank of America drop Boy Scouts
- Message-ID: <1992Jun2.154036.13564@Princeton.EDU>
- Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 15:40:36 GMT
-
- In article <1992Jun1.195104.16717@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.UUCP () writes:
- > Scouting has had its ups and downs, but it has not
- >been forced to abandon its principles along the way.
- >
- >Standard Disclaimer- Any opinions, etc. are mine and NOT my employer's.
- >------------------------------------------------------------------------
- >Bill Sohl (K2UNK) BELLCORE (Bell Communications Research, Inc.)
-
- Scouting has actually had to abandon its principles once before: In
- the middle of this century, they had to end racial segregation and
- allow blacks in the same troops with whites. Several troops in the
- Philadelphia area were disbanded over the issue.
-
- And since when is opposition to homosexuality a principle of the
- Boy Scouts anyway? The BSA Charter and by-laws make no reference to
- homosexuality. Nor does the Boy Scout Mission Statement, or the Scout Oath
- and Law. And the Scoutmaster Handbook says "Rule Number 1" in dealing
- with incidents of sexual curiosity among troop members is that
- Scoutmasters are not to "undertake to instruct Scouts in any formalized
- manner, in the subject of sex and family life." Sounds to me like
- the BSA has no formal position on sexual mores; they're just bigots.
-
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- "As Mason said to Dixon, we have to draw the line somehwere."
-
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- Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
-