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- From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre)
- Subject: Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT
- Message-ID: <1992Aug18.195514.10197@news.unomaha.edu>
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- Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
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- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:55:14 GMT
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- gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu writes:
-
- >sm> Stephen McIntyre
-
- >sm> Citizens become more susceptable to propaganda precisely because they lack
- >sm> a good education.
-
- >gs--> Gary Strand
-
- >gs] Actually, intellectuals are no less susceptible to propaganda than
- >gs] the "un-washed masses". Hitler enjoyed considerable support among the
- >gs] German intellectual elite, and when one reads what American
- >gs] intellectuals wrote about Stalin during the 1930s, it's pretty obvious
- >gs] that merely being "educated" is no safeguard against totalitarians
- >gs] and their lies.
-
- Much of what you are saying depends on your definition of the "German
- intellectual elite", because of course many Germans who did not
- agree with the propaganda put forth by Hitler, including a
- large number of the "intellectual elite", left the country. And
- of course, "merely being educated" isn't a safeguard against
- propaganda; I never said that it was (read the above.)
-
-
- >rc--> Robin Collins (or is it Frank?)
-
- >rc] How do you explain the fact that one of the most educated and sophisticated
- >rc] populations in the world at the time, was victim to propaganda despite
- >rc] its education (Germany, 1930s).
- >rc] In this context, how would you suggest that such a decline into barbarism
- >rc] might be prevented?
-
- *****
-
- >rc] Well Gary, it looks like you thought the same thought as I did (although
- >rc] earlier).
- >rc] I am very interested in what happened in Germany and in particular,
- >rc] what happened to educated intellectuals who were duped by
- >rc] nazi propaganda.
-
- >rc] I have a feeling it had a lot to do with POWER, with feelings of
- >rc] alienation in addition to the propaganda (and more so than propaganda.)
- >rc] Look at some of the intellectuals who fell for fascism: GB Shaw to some
- >rc] extent, Ezra Pound, James Joyce and many others.
-
- >rc] This worship of power, including today's talk of "empowerment",
- >rc] may be the problem in terms of suspension of critical thinking.
- >rc] Fundamentalism is a good example, perhaps, and is not all that dissimilar
- >rc] to totalitarianism. Some extremely intelligent people have been
- >rc] fundamentalists, or dogmatists. Such is fuel for fascism.
- >rc] I think some of the libertarians are right in this area of thought (and
- >rc] which is why people like Chomsky call themselves libertarian socialists,
- >rc] I suspect.)
-
- >rc] Any thoughts?
-
- Gary had adressed this issue in another post for "World Government," as
- does Robin now. I'm running out of time to post, so I'll make this
- short. Perhaps the biggest reason for the attraction of Germans
- (including the "intellectual elite") to Hitler was because of the
- misery caused by the depression of that era. People's spirits,
- as well as their homes, were broken-- they were a tired nation.
- Any hope offered to them was considered good, even if the man
- offering the hope was a tyrant.
-
- I'd keep going, but I must leave. I'll return tomorrow or Thursday to
- address this issue further. Until then, ta-ta.
-
- Stephen @Trajan
-