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- From: bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker)
- Subject: Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT
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- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:53:10 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug18.050634.14094@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
- >ab> Alex Bunker
- >sm> Stephen McIntyre
- >
- >sm> Citizens become more susceptable to propaganda precisely because they lack
- >sm> a good education. With T.V. and commercial magazines doing the thinking
- >sm> for them, people are killing off their minds, strangling the very thing
- >sm> that could protect them from irrational pinheads with a presuasive voice
- >sm> and power on the mind. So, what can we do then? Keep TV from the people?
- >sm> Regulate the hours a station can run programming? I don't know. Any sug-
- >sm> gestions?
- >
- >ab> Simple, restrict television advertising.
- >
- > Well, there goes the freedom of expression. How many other freedoms are you
- > planning to trash on your way to an all-Good, all-knowing, all-wonderful
- > world government? It's beginning to sound more and more like 1984 to me.
- >
- >ab> Television will become more educational and less commercially-consumer
- >ab> advocating pander to the lowest common denomenator.
- >
- > Interesting. Get rid of ads, and we get better TV. Um, how does this TV
- > get paid for in the first place? Advertisers. You make it sound as though
- > advertising itself is some kind of evil thing. Sorry, but if you remember
- > creating a resume, you were advertising yourself. Basically, without it,
- > the flow of information decreases greatly. Again, your future world sounds
- > less and less inviting and desirable the more you talk about it.
- >
- >ab> Look the best television is on the channels without commercials PBS TVO
- >ab> BBC etc...
- >
- > Here in the US, the Discovery channel and A&E are doing quite well, and
- > presenting quite good TV, with commercials too! I think I'll take a stu-
- > pid commercial every 15 minutes over interminable "pledge drives" any day.
- >
- > Believe it or not, capitalism is not the source of every stinking festering
- > problem facing the world. If there's one thing your posts indicate, you
- > have become radicalized by reading the Net. I remember a kindler, gentler
- > Alex Bunker a short time back. Relax, and get mellow. No need to sound so
- > final and declarative and know-it-all.
- >
- >--
- >Gary Strand Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
- >strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
-
- There seems to be a misunderstanding here my comments on television
- and advertising have NOTHING to do with world government. We got sidetracked
- and they are a seperate issue. I do not particularly like commercial television
- because it is not a free form of expression because it is beholden to
- the views of the advertisers. We see this in comparing PBS to A&E. The
- quality and intellectual depth and vartiety of perspectives available
- on PBS is FAR greater than pathetic ultraconservative A&E (the
- standup comedy-documentaries about war from a hawkish perspective channel)
- I want a TRULY free form of expression. What is commercially viable is
- not free. What about programming that is anti-capitalist?
- or exposes great wrongs in the consumerist status quo?
- We do not get
- to see these shows because the advertisers hold the networks in blackmail.
- Even PBS is underfunded so it is conservatised by its shows being
- sponsored by right wing think tanks. TVO and BBC are better examples.
- As freinds of mine from other countries have said countless times "its
- funny there is 20 channels here and only 3 back home buit there there is
- allways something interesting to watch but here it is just mindless garbage.
- But I hear you say." If the government controls it it can be made into
- a governemt propaganda machine. It has been shown that this is not necessarily
- the case with the BBC in particular. The covenrment and viewers can sponsor
- a network and then give it free reign. I probably would not believe it
- myself if I had not really seen it working.
-
- Also interrupting with commercials has been shown to have a very bad
- psychological effect lowering our attention span. I just want to
- allow commercial only on the hour for five minites.
-
- ALEX
- .
-