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- Subject: Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT
- Message-ID: <1992Aug13.001507.1590@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>
- From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
- Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:15:07 GMT
- Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
- References: <1992Aug11.193039.14440@ncar.ucar.edu> <1992Aug12.010339.14687@news.unomaha.edu> <1992Aug12.025352.7653@ncar.ucar.edu>
- Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
- Summary: oh ye of little faith...
- Lines: 70
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- In article <1992Aug12.025352.7653@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
-
- > Again, I ask, what's to prevent the WG Army from using it's power to run
- > roughshod over the weaker nations? Absolute power corrupts absolutely, as
-
- What's to prevent the American military from using it's power to run
- roughshod over the civilian population? Answer: Absolutely nothing..except,
- <perhaps> that nebulous concept you Yanks call democracy. If it won't work
- for a WG, it won't work in the United States. Do you really have so little
- faith in your own government process that it's ultimate failure is accepted
- as a matter of course?
-
- > they say, and given that a WG Army must have near-absolute power in order
- > to work, how does on avoid the corruption? Merely stating that it will is
- > not good enough. Also, the bulk of the national armies in the world today
- > aren't as "decent" as our nice Western militaries; most have no problem
- > with massacring innocent people. The Iraqi army, for example, is the rule,
- > not the exception. Lastly, would such an army have nuclear weapons? If
- > they won't, how do we get all the current (and future!) nuclear powers to
- > disarm?
-
- Oh, joy - it's those "indecent" military types, not us peace-loving,
- democratic western white guys - I feel better already :-) (Did you catch our
- "Oka Crisis" on tv a few years back? It was a great show, wherein the
- Canadian Good Guys White Army of Liberation threatened Mohawk Warriors with
- extinction if they didn't cave in to illegal powers assumed by a corrupt
- federal government... two years later, of course, it turned out the Mohawk
- Warriors were in the right, so you can figure out where the Canadian Army
- was in the scenario, right?)
-
- > Who will control this mass media? What about censorship? Freedom of opinion
- > leads to difference of opinion, which is the definition of disagreement.
-
- You're right - democracy is an outmoded concept, and it just won't work...
- for ten points, illustrate how your lack of faith is supported in the United
- States, where little, if anything, works. Add thirty points if you can prove
- that "Zionists" control the media.
-
- > Name one subject that tens of millions of *randomly-selected* people agree
- > upon. Americans can't form one opinion on something as narrow as abortion;
- > why do you believe 5+ billion people (and increasing) will ever agree on
- > the substantive issues?
-
- By your logic, America can't work, because folks just can't agree on
- anything... who said that they have to in order to make WG work?
-
- > still a minority. And, what about getting all the above to agree? All
- > have had (and still have) major differences, political and otherwise,
- > with each other. OK, they often work together in the UN, but the UN is
- > micropotatoes compared to this WG of yours.
-
- Everything you say is equally true of the western democracies, which
- obviously cannot work, given your logical assumptions about their flaws...
-
- > Such as? And what do we do about nations that refuse to go along? How much
- > force is this nascent WG willing to expend on 10,000 Bosnias?
-
- What do you Yanks do about states that won't go along? (Show how that proves
- that democracy cannot function, and get ten more points)
-
- I give up. You're right - we're all too stupid to co-operate with each
- other, and the failure of the western democracy proves it.... either that,
- or what we are really talking about here is the worst sort of western
- paternalistic racism, i.e. we believe in democracy as long as it isn't so
- democratic we can't control it anymore.
- --
- "I mean the clearing out of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race.
- It's one of those things it is easy to talk about -- `The Jewish race is being
- exterminated,' says one party member, `that's quite clear, it's in our program
- -- elimination of the Jews, and we're doing it, exterminating them.'"[Himmler]
-