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- From: Nelson.F..Steele@p807.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Nelson F. Steele)
- Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
- Path: sparky!uunet!blkcat!Uucp
- Newsgroups: dc.general
- Subject: Let's talk about secret installations
- Message-ID: <713689221.F00001@blkcat.UUCP>
- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:05:18 -0500
- Lines: 40
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- On 8/12/92 Dave Pipes x4552 said to All:
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- DP> Nelson.F..Steele@p807.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Nelson F. Steele)
- DP> writes:
- > On 8/10/92 Dave Pipes x4552 said to All:
- >
- DP> For example: If they did monitor to the extent possible in 1984, why
- DP> would the FBI even have to tap someone to get evidence? They'd just
- DP> call NSA and get the tapes...
- DP>
- > In a stunning example of inter-agency cooperation. NSA monitored
- > Americans in the 60s (Puzzle Palace). If they're doing it now I think
- > they'd be reluctant to tell anyone else.
- >
- DP> The previous poster, to whom I replied, painted a picture of a 1984
- DP> style world where the government just does whatever it pleases,
- DP> brutally suppressing the rights of individuals. I tried to point out
- DP> that things would be very different if that was indeed happening.
- DP>
- DP> The fact that they did it in the 60's, to a few people, and handed the
- DP> info over does not mean that they do it now. And remember, there were
- DP> active terrorists in the US in the 60's - surely keeping an eye on
- DP> them was a good thing. There were actually full scale assaults on
- DP> government facilities on a few occasions, solely for the purpose of
- DP> gaining weapons. So there are situations where monitoring is wise.
- DP>
- DP> I repeat - if the information is being abused, we would see some
- DP> evidence of it, sooner or later. Much as some enjoy the aura of fear
- DP> such assertions create, we are not living in a police state.
- DP>
- I largely agree. America is *not* a police state in which individual rights
- are "brutally" suppressed - there are still enough of those around. And that's
- not what I intended to suggest. It is my *opinion* however that when the
- government collects intelligence on Americans the goal is political, not public
- safety. I think you are being *very* gentle with the government over such
- violations of privacy and law. What's wrong about the government monitoring
- Americans is not "if the information is being abused" but the collection of such
- information in the first place. Finally, as you point out, that they did it in
- the past does not mean that they're doing it now, and I hope they're not.
-