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- From: schultz@schultz.kgn.ibm.com (schultz)
- Subject: Re: PEX subsets
- Sender: @watson.ibm.com
- Message-ID: <1992Aug12.153351.38352@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:33:51 GMT
- Reply-To: schultz@vnet.ibm.com
- References: <5681@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
- Organization: IBM AWD Graphics Systems
- Keywords: PEX subset PHIGS workstation immediate structure enquiry
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- In article <5681@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
-
- |> How does one find which of the three subsets a given PEX server
- |> supports? I am looking for a short program to tell me. Also, how to
- |> tell if a server is 5.0 or 5.1
-
- The PEX Request PEXGetExtensionInfo will return this information.
- A short PEXlib program can be written to query and display this information.
- I have also heard about a program called pexdpyinfo, which works a lot like
- xdpyinfo except that it returns the same info provided by PEXGetExtensionInfo
- plus perhaps the ImpDep Constants and EnumTypes. I do not know the
- status of the program. However, a program to print just the return info
- from PEXGetExtensionInfo is pretty simple.
-
- |> Reason I ask: we have a VAXstation here running PEX. It displays DEC
- |> phiga apps to either an X or a PEX workstation (ie workststion types
- |> 231 or 241, for Motif). As far as DEC PHIGS is concerned, PEX is
- |> there and able to support server-side structures (that is, indeed, the
- |> default). DEC PHIGS generates PEX 5.0 protocol.
- |>
- |> We recently tried to display output from SunPHIGS 2.0 which claims to
- |> support PEX when present. This failed with an error message which
- |> apparently means that the PHIGS workstation subset is not present.
-
- SunPHIGS apparently requires the Workstation subset. DEC PEX servers
- generally do not have the workstation subset. (Before criticizing, see
- below)
- SunPHIGS, by the way, runs pretty well to other PEX servers that do support
- the Workstation Subset. For example, at SIGGRAPH this year, I was
- consistently displaying several SunPHIGS clients (running on Sun machines)
- to our IBM PEX server.
-
- |> A demo program which came with a Tektronix XP29P PEX terminal we are
- |> looking at also failed with the same error. This program supports 5.1
- |> protocol.
-
- Failed when running to the DEC server? If it is a PHIGS program (maybe
- written to the SI-PHIGS), then the missing Workstation subset is the
- cause again.
-
- |> Could someone give me a quick summary or low-down on PEX subsets, how
- |> to get around the above problem and (preferably) why PEX has three
- |> subsets. Is this not going to be a bit of a problem in the future?
-
- Yes, it is and will be a problem. For this reason, there is considerable
- interest in 'no subsets' for PEX 6.0.
- The future of the Workstation Object/Subset is in doubt also.
-
- I don't think I was involved much with PEX when 5.0 was started, but
- I guess that the existence of the Workstation was a controversial issue.
-
- Some say that the Workstation function was needed to implement an
- efficient PHIGS and that the extra 'policy' imposed by the PEX Workstation
- functions was not a problem, from an 'X' point of view.
-
- Others argue that you can implement PHIGS without the Workstation functions
- and that the policy imposed by the current Workstation functions
- was too much, as compared to the rest of X.
-
- Some vendors, like DEC I guess, had implemented PHIGS without a
- Workstation object before PEX 5 came along, so they saw no reason to
- add it. Other vendors may also have objected strongly to being forced
- to implement ALL of PEX when they had real disagreements over some of
- the function.
-
- Rather than let programs die by sending unimplemented PEX requests,
- the subset bits were added so a client can at least find out what is there.
-
- How to get around it?
- Well, for now, if you want your client to run on every PEX server,
- you have to check the subset flags and make your client program adjust
- accordingly. With the current subsets, you have to be able to handle
- 7 different configurations.
-
- |> Also could someone give me the email address of the PEX
- |> interoperability centre as I have some other stuff I would like to
- |> share with them.
-
- pexic-pub-tech@convex.com
-
-
- Karl Schultz schultz@vnet.ibm.com
- These statements or opinions are not necessarily those of IBM
-