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- From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
- Subject: Re: Have $8000, what to buy?
- Message-ID: <1992Aug13.064812.19827@panix.com>
- Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:48:12 GMT
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- References: <RG.92Aug10111713@nymph.msel.unh.edu> <1992Aug11.004404.21923@panix.com> <MELLON.92Aug11123706@pepper.ncd.com>
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- In article <MELLON.92Aug11123706@pepper.ncd.com> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes:
- >
- >The R4000 upgrade isn't available yet, to the best of my knowledge.
- >I wouldn't count on being able to get it until it ships. The
- >graphics are okay, but don't get the standard DEC monitor - it's an
- >utter piece of crap. The good news is that I think it's VGA or SVGA
-
- Of course, I think getting it before it ships is unlikely, but lots of glossy
- stuff I've seen has mentioned the processor upgradeability, though I guess in
- a "plausibly deniable" way. I don't have any doubts that it'll happen. What
- really interests me about this beast is the potential for an Alpha upgrade,
- actually, but nothing hard has been said about that so far as I know, save in
- general about daughtercard MIPS machines, of which class the maxine is a member.
-
- Monitors -- crummy?
-
- DEC monitors always are. With the original PMAX, you could have a Trinitron
- for the same price as the 16" DEC monitor. Is this stil the case? Considering
- what DEC's monitors must cost them (i.e a LOT less than a Sony) I would expect
- that it's not. Something to watch out for -- DECs usually have sync on the
- wrong color, green, I think. Don't know about the maxine wrt this either,
- 'cause the box on _my_ desk here is a 2100.
-
- >It does indeed have ISDN on the motherboard. The sound capability is
- >part of the ISDN capability - you can't necessarily use both at the
- >same time.
-
- The SS10 has the same problem, no?
-
- >I'm rather fond of the MAXine (also known as the DECstation 5000/25 or
- >/33). However, I must say that it's probably not a good deal in the
-
- You forgot the /20, which last I looked was substantially cheaper than a /25.
- I thought they were down around H.P.'s low-end prices, i.e. a little over $4000.
- Is that a misconception?
-
- >$8k range - you'll have trouble configuring all the things you'd want,
- >getting a decent monitor and a big disk, and still being able to
-
- I'm not so sure about that. $4000 + $1100 (disk) + $(?, <= 1500) monitor leaves
- you with a 500 meg disk, a nice monitor, and a 20MHz R3000, for $6600 or less.
- I think it'd be doable with the /25, too. Of course, if I'm wrong about the
- base price, it's all up in the air again. MIT Athena just bought a bunch of
- these, I'm told. Maybe someone there could comment on them.
-
-
- >afford the CD-ROM and so on.
- >
- >Instead, I'd have to recommend that you use some sort of PC-clone
- >configuration and run BSDI's product on it. I'm pretty sure that you
- >can get a really fast 486 box with enough memory and disk for on the
- >order of $5k to 6k, and you can get BSDI's UNIX offering for $1k,
- >including source. This will probably give you performance at about
- >the level of an IPC, but with more peripherals. BSDI can probably
- >recommend a configuration for you.
-
- I think the maxine should outperform this configuration. I've no hard data,
- just a gut feeling. On the other hand, I personally might buy this, but because
- I'm very anxious to have a personal 'hack around' box with OS source. I also
- have a lot more good feeling towards the TurboChannel bus than towards ISA.
- EISA I don't know enough about to comment on.
-
- >
- >If you want to do the system part on the cheap, you can probably do
- >even better with Bill Jolitz's BSD386 release; the only problem is
- >that you'll have to hack to bring it up, and I don't know if they have
- >EISA support yet.
-
- Nope, not that I've seen. I didn't know BSDI was near shipping it until someone
- told me so today.
-
- --
- Thor Lancelot Simon tls@panix.COM
- "Oh, you have wounded me! I have very few prejudices, actually. The
- biggest problem is that I am intolerant of fools. That is why I have
- such a low tolerance level for Libertarians." -- Jim McMaster
-