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- From: olsone@aix.rpi.edu (Erik G. Olson)
- Subject: Re: TI developing: what's up, what's in, what's out there?
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- Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
- References: <kvhyt0a@rpi.edu> <wLFVPB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
- Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:30:06 GMT
- Lines: 72
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- In article <wLFVPB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Andrew webster) writes:
- >_________________________________________________________________________
- >
- >You like Feb'web 3.5 over 4.x!!! Why? Do have an 80 col card and a RAM?
- >__________________________________________________________________________
- >
- >Andrew webster andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
-
- Well, that's not why, and I don't quite see how it could be...
-
- I got to like Fweb 3.5 one summer when I was using a plain P-box with a
- color TV and an additional outboard disk drive. The only functions I
- used were Edit, Assemble, Load&Run, with the occasional disk catalog
- and homegrown utility program mixed in.
-
- (Actually a better description would be Edit, Assemble, Edit, Assemble,
- Edit, Assemble, Load&Run, FCTN-QUIT, Load&Run, FCTN-QUIT...)
-
- I did this out of the E/A cartridge. Fweb loaded when I pushed '5' and
- Enter from its menu. The things I liked were that it didn't clutter my
- disk or my screen-- two things that are eroded in later versions of Fweb.
- Assembling big programs eats disk space fast, so small tools win. It's also
- good to keep object code on one disk (with Fweb) and source by itself
- on another disk. Disk swapping loses big-time. (I went on to endure
- a Mac without a hard disk for almost a year. Now there's a machine that
- burns resources.) Plus, all I had to do was hit a few number keys. This
- was welcome, because in debugging/developing assembly-- particularly a game,
- as I was doing-- your motions are very repetitive. In Fweb 4.0, which I
- tried, there are annoying little pauses in more places-- at least the
- versions I've used.
-
- Jesse Slicer did give me a recent copy of 4.x and I tried it out, but it
- failed the clutter test. I would use it as a grand main entrance instead of
- 3.5 if I had a plain 4A, but for a quick-and-dirty assembly axe it's not
- the right tool for me. At this point I would like to bow out and stop
- encouraging sticking-in-the-past oldfashionedness.
-
- Incidentally, I did all that work with 3.5 while Lou had my Geneve on
- repair. I actually got it back, in a timely fashion! (It had an extremely
- simple problem, thankfully.) So I don't use Fweb at all except on rare
- occasions; GenProg is awesome. The latest version of that 4A game depends
- on it-- but it still retains some old characteristics, such as the habit
- of segregating tools on one disk, along with MDOS, which bootstrap
- themselves into the software ramdisk, while the source code lives on
- a disk by itself and is shuttled back and forth from ramdisk. (Which
- is also good for making backups.) GenProg produces every-- I really mean,
- *every*-- kind of output file there is, so from MDOS my automated scripts
- kick out the 4A loadables onto the source code disk. Object code is never
- saved to floppy since GenAsm laughs at small programs that only fill up
- 31K of memory, and it's cheaper just to do without REF/DEFs (wretched
- things that they are) and assemble the whole darn thing into a single
- object file. Sort of like all the TI cartridges where the SOURCE was all
- one file, all 5000 lines or whatever. (These, I guess, were assembled on
- bigger machines, that at least had massive storage systems.)
-
- Nowadays I get paid to write C on monster workstations, which raises
- the question, why do I still have a TI? Well... it's fun to write a
- little assembly now and then. I might even tackle a big program if
- I had a killer C compiler. (No I'm not taking suggestions; I have
- enough already. A cool game, or, heavens, another BBS program
- that I actually did write ANSI C routines for just as an exercise (!),
- or most unmarketable of them all, a GIS (Geographic Information System)
- that interfaces to TI-Base. I think that would be really cute-- a mapping
- program on a TI. You'd almost need a CD-ROM drive then...)
-
- Ramble mode:
-
- (I better post ramble separately.)
- --
- Erik G. Olson =+ There was Virtue in the world before there was
- olsone@rpi.edu =+ Orthodoxy in it.
- =+ --The Independent Whig (as quoted by John Adams)
-