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- From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
- Subject: Re: SCSI drivers
- Message-ID: <1992Aug18.173248.21572@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
- Organization: DSO, Stanford University
- References: <1992Aug18.072833.15164@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:32:48 GMT
- Lines: 55
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- In article <1992Aug18.072833.15164@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- marcu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Albert Ullman) writes:
- > I agree with your comments on using "disk" to benchmark disk
- performance;
- > however, I disagree with your conclusions. When I upraded the original
- Maxtor
- > XT-3830S in my cube to a Seagate ST41650N (Wren VIII) last year, I used
- the
- > test you advocate to check the before and after performace. While I did
- see
- > a substantial improvement (~400kB/s with Maxtor; ~1.1MB/s with Seagate),
- > these numbers are still *far* below the specified theoretical throughput
- > from these devices. The Wren VIII has a sustained transfer rate of
- > 1.83 to 3.5MB/s for data coming *off the media* and asynchronous SCSI
- > transfer rates of 1.65 to 3.0 MB/s.
-
- You compare real-world tests with the drive manufacturers' claims
- seemingly in an attempt to show that NeXT's SCSI driver is inferior to
- that of other vendors. Please, if you want to make such a claim, test
- NeXT's SCSI performance against someone else's SCSI performance, not
- against claimed theoretical performance.
-
- > The problem with the NeXT SCSI
- > driver is that it doesn't take advantage of various features of SCSI II
- > like tagged command queueing and sychronous transfer (for which the
- > drive can support transfer rates up to 5MB/s (which is faster than the
- > 4MB/s max that the old '040 cubes can do because the 53C90A is only
- > clocked at 20MHz). The current driver operates in lock step with the
- > drive, waiting for one command to complete before issuing the next,
- rather
- > than overlapping them and allowing the drive to optimize its
- performance.
-
- This is correct. NeXT currently supports neither sychronous SCSI nor
- tagged command queueing. I unsuccessfully lobbied to have them included in
- 3.0. Before NeXT will support these SCSI features, they will put every
- type of hard drive that they ever shipped through qualification testing to
- make sure that implementing them won't "break" anyone's system. I am
- confident, however, that NeXT will eventually support these features. I
- therefore strongly recommend that anyone looking for a hard disk for a
- NeXT, who is interested in performance, get one that supports tagged
- command queueing. Don't bother with untagged command queueing.
-
- > The inside story from NeXT is that improving disk performance, while it
- > certainly could be done, is simply not a priority in a resource-strapped
- > development environment.
-
- That was true while 3.0 was in development. Many of the engineers in the
- software group have now turned to other things.
-
- M Carling
- Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
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